From: Wade T. Smith (wade.t.smith@verizon.net)
Date: Wed 11 Jun 2003 - 05:01:40 GMT
On Tuesday, June 10, 2003, at 08:58 PM, Scott wrote:
> There would, thus, be antecedent influences upon the invention or 
> innovation
> and memory would play a role.
Absolutely.
> memory and culture are still intertwined.
Right again.
The main conditions of creativity are legion, but, I would contend, and 
the performance model would concur, that there is nothing inherently 
cultural or even _memetic_ about the creative process. One human animal 
can be creative without any culture whatsoever. (Granted, this thought 
experiment would be impossible to construct in reality, but, there is 
no need for memetic transfer to generate a creative act. It just 
happens that all of us humans on this planet _are_ moving within 
definite cultural venues, and as such, perform our creative acts 
_there_, with not too many other places to go.)
As Joe so often intones, the cognitive gestalt does a lot of work for 
culture. (Culture loves having such a willing and intelligent worker, 
in fact, couldn't keep going without at least two of 'em....) So, while 
the cultural venue supplies conditions and parameters and experiences, 
and the maintenance of memories and conditions and parameters and 
experiences with artifacts and propaganda, the actual creative agent is 
either the performer or the observer or both, not the venue itself. As 
such, memetics is not an investigation of the creative process, but an 
investigation of the results of this process, as distributed in 
performance.
> How isomorphic would this fragment in [...]'s brain be to a fragment 
> in mine
I more want to know how we could ever know. What fragment? Where? 
Nietzsche? Do we have his brain? I know what Strauss did with 
Zarathustra, and then what Kubrick did, but what else do I know? And 
when did I know it? How do we ever know what comes from a brain? Even 
in Joe's golden hour of full scale fMRI cognitive mapping, what will we 
ever know about what was in Nietzsche's brain?
- Wade
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