RE: Watches & Necklaces

From: joedees@bellsouth.net
Date: Thu 29 May 2003 - 18:16:42 GMT

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    > At 12:58 AM 29/05/03 -0400, Scott wrote:
    >
    > >>From: Keith Henson <hkhenson@rogers.com>
    > >>Reply-To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
    > >>To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
    > >>Subject: RE: Watches & Necklaces
    > >>Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 22:47:27 -0400
    > >>
    > >>At 09:10 PM 28/05/03 -0400, scott wrote:
    > >>
    > >>snip
    > >>
    > >>>So would you agree with Richard that education is a parasite?
    > >>
    > >>No, because I don't think Richard said that.
    > >(clears throat)
    > >
    > >After I had elaborated on symbiont relations with the aid of
    > >Minkoff's text, Richard had responsed (probably snipped from the post
    > >you had read along with my rather pointed questions to him):
    > >
    > >(bq) "It would seem easy to extend this, then, to gene-meme
    > >symbiosis. Education, for example, is parasitic because it reduces
    > >genetic fitness. How about them apples?" (eq)
    > >
    > >You may have a greater command of the English language than I do.
    > >Looking over what Richard said, is he saying that education is
    > >parasitic or not? Maybe he was being facetious?
    >
    > Not at all. But there is a difference between what you said he said
    > and what Richard said. The way you restated it is simply not true
    > because it implies education being a parasite on the individual where
    > Richard's states a well known fact about higher education, the kind
    > that takes many years. Education and wealth in western culture has
    > mixed effects, statistically reducing the number of offspring while
    > improving their chances to survive.
    >
    > Humans have their own viewpoint which is not the same as either the
    > memes they have or their genes.
    >
    > >>Education and closely associated wealth tends to reduced the number
    > >>of children you have, but it does make the ones you have more likely
    > >>to survive, in bad times *much* more likely to survive. This is
    > >>just an extension of the K r spectrum.
    > >I happened to be the one who added the allusion to the K r spectrum
    > >to the mix, in response to Richard. So maybe we are in somewhat of an
    > >agreement here?
    > >>
    > >>Though as I noted, humans just happen to react to education and
    > >>wealth this way. Our evolution could have left us with the tendency
    > >>to turn wealth into more kids. To an unknown extent this may be
    > >>more cultural. Consider that bin Laden has 40 some odd kids, not
    > >>unusual by Saudi Prince standards.
    > >Good thing Abdul Aziz conquered Arabia and then oil was discovered so
    > >that those petrodollars could trickle down to bin Laden's dad and
    > >family via the construction business. Otherwise, so much for Saudi
    > >wealth. The fortuitiousness of the al-Saud conquest AND striking oil
    > >are an historical confluence that cannot be underemphasized in any
    > >analysis relating to Saudi Arabian affluence.
    >
    > Certainly true. I presume you have read some of Bernard Lewis on this
    > subject. If not you should. He states the problems with the Islamic
    > world as well as can be stated without evolutionary psychology and
    > ecological views. The situation there is no better than that leading
    > up to the Hutu/Tutsi conflict--with the difference that the USA is one
    > of the participants.
    >
    > Keith Henson
    >
    I recommend his latest: The Crisis of Islam: Holy War and Unholy Terror Bernard Lewis, ~ Modern Library 25 March, 2003 ~ ISBN: 0679642811

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