From: Wade T. Smith (wade.t.smith@verizon.net)
Date: Wed 28 May 2003 - 15:08:02 GMT
On Wednesday, May 28, 2003, at 09:01 AM, Richard wrote:
> That's the definition of memetics.
"Memetics can be defined as an approach trying to model the evolution 
of memes." (http://pespmc1.vub.ac.be/MEMES.html)
Indeed, the vicious circle involved in the definition of memetics 
requires that the meme be not only present, but fully accounted for.
And, IMHO, it ain't.
When one attaches the admittedly loose definition of 'smallest possible 
unit of cultural evolution' to 'meme', then I think, we can get close 
to having something that is present and accounted for, and IMHO, that 
something is the performance itself, not an imaginary element of a 
vaguely understood cognitive process. Applying darwinian analysis to 
the performances, and the venues within which these performances occur, 
is both empirical and satisfying, especially since the historical 
record is rife with well understood venues and artifacts. There is no 
way, at present, to account empirically for cultural processes in 
brains. When we analyze the changes in the venue and the artifacts 
produced within these venues, we also begin to understand how the 
perceptions of the observers helped to manage these changes.
I long ago took this sort of statement-  "However, since the only 
agreement as to the definition of
'meme' is that it is what gets passed on through non-genetic means, 
only conceptual confusion can result from trying to make a hypothesis 
into a definition" (thanks, Bill, for this example), and asked myself 
what does it mean to 'get passed on' culturally, or socially? Social 
mechanisms are, IMHO, on their way to being explained by 
sociobiological models, and I'm happy to see culture as a another means 
of manipulating social mechanisms, and in any case, I don't think 
culture needs to know how minds work to manipulate humans and their 
social mechanisms, and I don't think memetics needs to know how minds 
work to explain how culture works.
If one takes the definition of memetics and separates it from memes 
(which many people here are not allowing, I know, including you), then 
it becomes 'an approach to modeling the evolution of culture'.
And, IMHO, the performance model succeeds at that with flying colors. 
But, yes, it needs to be allowed to. So, I'm happy to separate it from 
memeintheminditics if that will allow it, as a performance theory of 
cultural evolution only needs a meme as a definitional unit in the 
first place, and only then climbs on the memetic definition itself, as 
the performance model is indeed an approach trying to model the 
evolution of memes. It just doesn't define meme as something in the 
mind, but as the observed moment of performance, within a venue. Pretty 
empirical, that. Observable, measurable, and, thus, analyzable.
Now, calling something a 'virus' of the mind, is, perhaps, more to the 
point of working on cognitive processes, but, the performance model of 
cultural evolution does not use a viral model, and can only accept the 
conditions of its players- meaning, that if the minds of two of its 
agents, the performer and the observer, could be infected with viral 
mechanisms, this needs to be a given in the performance model, 
something that is innate to the venue, and culture is itself a means of 
controlling, through parameters maintaining immunities, these viral 
influences and behaviors. Religion, in the form of religious community, 
is thus seen, in the performance model, as a large grouping of 
parameters of immunity maintenance. That such parameters can be based 
in natural falsehoods, i.e. gods, is not the issue- after all, even 
secular communities are based in falsehoods, as no law is the truth- 
the issue is that such parameters will control performance and maintain 
expectations. Religion does the work of maintaining a cultural venue 
very well. So does law and order of any stripe. Truth is not so 
powerful, and rarely needed, in this arena.
- Wade
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