Received: by alpheratz.cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk id MAA26814 (8.6.9/5.3[ref pg@gmsl.co.uk] for cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk from fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk); Wed, 14 Jun 2000 12:54:49 +0100 Message-ID: <2D1C159B783DD211808A006008062D31017458BE@inchna.stir.ac.uk> From: Vincent Campbell <v.p.campbell@stir.ac.uk> To: "'memetics@mmu.ac.uk'" <memetics@mmu.ac.uk> Subject: RE: Cons and Facades Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 12:52:52 +0100 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
Just to say, do you mean by your last comment here that learning for you
means persuading other to agree with you?
> ----------
> From: Bruce Jones
> Reply To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
> Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2000 10:33 pm
> To: 'memetics@mmu.ac.uk'
> Subject: RE: Cons and Facades
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Aaron Lynch [SMTP:aaron@mcs.net]
> > Subject: RE: Cons and Facades
> > None on this list has
> > indicated a propensity to being led ANYWHERE. Second none on this
> > list has
> > been able to manipulate any other person on this list. Third since
> > we on
> > this list seem to be the only ones interested in memetics the only
> > thing we
> > have is an understanding of a lack of cohesive knowledge about the
> > subject.
> [BJ]
> OK I will agree to being the new guy on the block so let me
> add..."In my experience on the list."
>
> > The only facade then is the person or persons that intimate a vast
> > knowledge
> > and/or understanding of the subject. <snip>
> >
> > You have to be careful about making such a statement. The apparent
> reason
> > Vincent Campbell brought up Einstein was because Einstein was generally
> > recognized as really having great knowledge and/or understanding of the
> > subjects he covered. We also recognize that Einstein held such vast
> > knowledge and understanding of relativity even before most of his
> > colleagues acquired similar knowledge and understanding. Einstein did
> more
> > than merely intimate that he held such knowledge, too: he definitely let
> > the world know about it. But it was not a facade: it was the real
> product
> > of talent and hard work. This does not, however, mean that Einstein
> > thought himself too good to ever make a mistake or his theories too
> > perfect to ever be revised.
> [BJ]
> I was not talking of Einstein. I feel that he was about 100 years
> ahead of his time and in all reality forced advancement on the world by
> making people attempt to disprove him. I feel that he was, and is and
> will
> be a driving force behind all theoretical physics for a very long time to
> come.
> > So if you really mean that anyone who intimates infallibility is
> putting
> > on a facade, then I would agree with that.
> > [BJ]
> This is indeed my presumption. I will target no one person or group
> for such accusations publicly. Nor will I call them on it. What I strive
> to do is two fold:
> 1. Increase my knowledge level through discourse.
> 2. Ask questions and, sometimes, make statements to force an open
> discussion.
> If I ask for proof it is because I do not understand the
> problem...yet. If I paraphrase a statement to be just a hair off the mark
> I
> am looking for an explanation that fits the picture. If I make a
> statement
> such as the one about the "con" it is from personal experience that I am
> talking. I will always try to give my personal opinion in all discussions
> .... if you agree with me.. awesome I have learned something ... if not
> ....why not .... I am still wanting to learn.
>
> Bruce Jones
>
>
>
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