From: joedees@bellsouth.net
Date: Mon 26 May 2003 - 17:11:34 GMT
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> From: <joedees@bellsouth.net>
> To: <memetics@mmu.ac.uk>
> Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2003 6:57 PM
> Subject: Re: transmission
> > Only if one considers one's own mind to be part of the venue, but
> > that is not what Wade means. He is denying the internal existence
> > of memes prior to their performative expression; this means that NO
> > ideas can be thought of, NO interpretations or conclusions can be
> > made, NO unexpressed performances can cognitively exist, nor can the
> > intention to express them exist. I find this bizarre and
> > nonsensical.
>
> Wade did express his feelings about this bit already, but I would like
> to state my own thoughts, if I may. Wade does indeed consider the mind
> be part of the venue, he just denies the existence of ' memes ' within
> in. IMO, in Wade's mind, the mind being part of the venue means_ it
> construct, the interconnections, the neurons, the synapses, the
> signiling, the working of the mind (though the cognitive functioning
> of the human mind) itself is part of the venue,as the organ_ not what
> it can/ could / would inhibit/ hold within.
>
Yes, Wade is denying the existence of the internal by attempting to
externalize it, but this attempt fails, due to the barrier between the
subjective and the intersubjective (what many mistakenly call objective).
>
> > Wade is denying the cognitive gestalt; he is rejecting the very idea
> > of mentally stored memes. Whatever you've got the hang of is NOT
> > what Wade is saying.
>
> Yes, I am aware of that. I did mention that Wade 's scheme comes close
> to what I had in mind since the day I found this list. The initial
> elements aren 't changed much, but Wade 's scheme gives me a scaffold.
> I for one isn 't sure who is right and who is wrong. Unless we find
> some- thing that is meme- like in the brain I 'll be in two minds
> (sic) about the matter.
>
As I said before, to Wade, it is logically inconsistent to maintain that the
mind contains and stores thoughts, ideas and memories, but deny that
it contains and stores the subset of them that are communicable.
>
> Regards,
>
> Kenneth
>
>
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