From: joedees@bellsouth.net
Date: Sun 25 May 2003 - 18:54:33 GMT
>
> On Sunday, May 25, 2003, at 05:48 AM, memetics-digest wrote:
>
> > where is language stored?
>
> The mechanism for language is in the mind, yes- is this not basic
> linquistics? But, the technology of language is a system of symbols
> and behaviors which are _learned_ within the cultural venue, and,
> granted, these memories are stored in the mind. Is this not also basic
> linguistics?
>
> If Jill and Jack both learned their technologies of language solely
> within an english venue, then both would not understand chinese that
> encoded the same message of 'meet me at 2 under the city hall clock'
> that they would both understand in either written or spoken form in
> english, because the english venue supplied their referents for both
> written and spoken forms of english. And if either one had only been
> supplied with the spoken form, that one would not find any meaning for
> anything _written_ in english. The scribblings on the paper would be
> useless to communicate meaning to them.
>
> The venue of language is not different in your example, and thus it is
> an invalid example of different modalities.
>
Wrong. There are illiterate people (those who can speak and
understand spoken language, but who cannot read or write). Even
though the symbols are related, they are different capacities, requiring
different knowledges, and different performances. It is exactly this
relation between the different performances that the illiterate person
does not understand.
The specific symbol strings encode the selfsame message in different
performances, requiring different knowledges to transmit and receive,
and it is this fact that your 'performance-only' schema cannot abide.
>
> - Wade
>
>
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