Received: by alpheratz.cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk id OAA03789 (8.6.9/5.3[ref pg@gmsl.co.uk] for cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk from fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk); Tue, 6 Jun 2000 14:10:15 +0100 Message-ID: <2D1C159B783DD211808A006008062D31017458AE@inchna.stir.ac.uk> From: Vincent Campbell <v.p.campbell@stir.ac.uk> To: "'memetics@mmu.ac.uk'" <memetics@mmu.ac.uk> Subject: RE: Jabbering ! Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 14:08:16 +0100 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
James Burke is from my home town, and went to the same school as me! (albeit
a few decades before me!).
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> From: Chuck
> Reply To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
> Sent: Tuesday, June 6, 2000 8:42 am
> To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
> Subject: Re: Jabbering !
>
> >From Amazon:
> James Burke, Connections; Also, The Day the Universe Changed by him.
>
> havelock wrote:
>
> > anyone know a reference to this 'connections' book that Chuck has
> alluded
> > to?
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk [mailto:fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk]On
> Behalf
> > > Of Chuck
> > > Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2000 9:53 AM
> > > To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
> > > Subject: Re: Jabbering !
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Robin Faichney wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Mon, 05 Jun 2000, Vincent Campbell wrote:
> > > > >I saw the programme.
> > > > >
> > > > >I was particularly interested in two things, first the comment
> > > about the
> > > > >British midlands being called the Black country, and rituals
> > > and dress sense
> > > > >becoming heavily imbued with black in the late 18th and 19th
> century,
> > > > >because of the dark satanic mills, and the mass use of coke.
> > > >
> > > > I found it particularly interesting that large scale iron
> > > founding took off
> > > > with the switch from coal to coke -- a move that could not
> > > possibly be put
> > > > down to resource depletion!
> > >
> > > Robin - I'm afraid you are again afflicted with willful tunnel
> > > vision. Like I
> > > said, you have to see how ALL the technology richochets. To begin
> > > to understand
> > > you should probably read the Connections book (I forget the
> > > author). I have never
> > > read it, but I understand that he has a good sense of how one
> > > invention ricochets
> > > into the entire web of technology.
> > >
> > > As for cotton, I don't know the subject at all. But in any case,
> > > you are again
> > > rushing to judgement. It would be best to investigate just why
> > > the demand was up
> > > for cotton. I remember something about it's being a superior product
> for
> > > clothing, but I can't remember why right now.
> > >
> > > Finally, given your penchant for wanting to abstract out just a
> > > few factors that
> > > will narrowly predict a few events won't do if you want to really
> > > investigate how
> > > the initial change in a resource base ricochets. There are
> > > literally thousands of
> > > interrelated connections. No - I'm not doing to detail them for
> > > you because I
> > > don't have time and there is probably plenty of literature out
> > > there on it.
> > >
> > > > Likewise the development of the cotton and china
> > > > industries. People began to realise that big bucks could be
> > > made by finding
> > > > more efficient ways to do things. Those who insist that
> > > cultural developments
> > > > have to be reactive rather than proactive will never get the
> > > big picture.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Robin Faichney
> > > >
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