From: joedees@bellsouth.net
Date: Sun 09 Mar 2003 - 01:09:01 GMT
>
> On Saturday, March 8, 2003, at 06:55 PM, memetics-digest wrote:
>
> > this thought becomes part of the
> > environment for other thoughts
>
> I am objecting to this very concept. I see no reason to make any
> assumptions that one thought, in one individual mind, might somehow
> find itself in another.
>
Of corse not. Otherwise we would have such things as customs and
traditions and religions and philosophical positions and economic
stances and scientific theories and political parties.
>
> Cultural evolution and memetic transference require performance, and
> there is no way to decide or hold that one performer is thinking the
> same thing another performer is.
>
It just has to be similar enough to capture the essence, such as in the
'three-strikes-you're out' example, or, say, 1+1=2. And indeed we can
perform MEG scans in real time that conclusively demonstrate that not
only are the same brain areas involved, but that they are activated in
the same sequence.
>
> In fact, the disparity of two individuals is a more cogent assumption.
>
Non-identicality does not entail nonrelationality. There is such a thing
as similarity.
>
> Person1 is not person2, and 'thought transference' is not what
> cultural evolution is.
>
But both tokens are members of the type 'person'. And thoughts DO
get transferred - by means of observation and imitation of action, and
explanation and understanding of instruction.
>
> Vapors and ghosts, this memeinthemind hypothesis.
>
The sine qua non for any specific intentional behaviors whatsoever.
>
> - Wade
>
>
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