From: joedees@bellsouth.net
Date: Thu 06 Mar 2003 - 17:45:40 GMT
>
> On Thursday, March 6, 2003, at 11:49 AM, memetics-digest wrote:
>
> > And where it is not, which is in the time/space of the performance
> > itself, is where the meme is.
> >
> > - - Wade
> >
> > I can't help but think the environment of the meme is the mind.
> > That's where all the action takes place of cognition, use,
> > transmission, reception and storage. Of course, all of these things
> > are actions but they take place within the brain and the body.
>
> If you _want_ to put a meme in a mind, (and you ain't got any proof),
> then, of course its environment is the mind.
>
> I _don't_ want to put memes in minds, because I'd like some proof that
> I _have_ to, and you, nor anyone, has supplied that. So, the
> environment I imagine for them is not in the mind.
>
> Where are they?
>
> I don't any utility to having them as some indescribable,
> unanalyzable, ghostly entities within an already vaguely understood
> construct, as the mind is not only intangible, but perhaps, like all
> things having bases in chaos, unfathomable.
>
> So, in step with countless artists' descriptions of their own
> performance theory, and with all deference to darwinian processes
> which actually involve active and moving and performing entities at
> all stages, I've adopted a cultural evolution theory which only
> involves what we know of human behavior, and presents a moving stage
> of evolutionary impact extrinsic to the individual- culture in all its
> mechanisms.
>
> I don't see any way to enforce the memeinmind model, at all. It seems
> like homeopathy to me- pseudoscience- fantasy- wishes.
>
And that sounds like behavioristic positivism. The brain is a black box
no longer; we can see inside it, in real time, with MEG. It makes no
sense to skip back 50+ years into the past and deny the existence of
what could not be investigated then, but is increasingly being mapped
out now.
>
> - Wade
>
>
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