From: joedees@bellsouth.net
Date: Thu 06 Mar 2003 - 03:35:15 GMT
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> >From: joedees@bellsouth.net
> >Reply-To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
> >To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
> >Subject: Re: memetics-digest V1 #1302
> >Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 13:20:36 -0600
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> > > On Wednesday, March 5, 2003, at 01:18 PM, memetics-digest wrote:
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> > > > This argument is kinda like saying that unless exact genetic
> > > > replication occurs, that the theory of evolution is flawed.
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> > > Kinda like, perhaps. Mostly like, no way.
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> > > > But it is precisely the
> > > > natural selection between natural occurring deviances that
> > > > allows for evolution to occur.
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> > > No argument, but, hmmm, we can't duplicate the conditions that
> > > this natural selection occured within, can we? Nope, that
> > > time/space is gone.
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> >Which is exactly why a different environmental condition might select
> >for a different mutation among the subsequent alternatives - in other
> >wortds, evolution continues.
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> > > > The difference is that, in memetics, those deviations
> > > > (mutations) may be intended, and indeed engineered - as can be
> > > > the selection.
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> > > There is no _necessity_ that any of the 'mutations' in memetic
> > > transfer (cultural transmission) be intended or engineered, and no
> > > one is arguing that intention may _not_ be a part of cultural
> > > mechanisms.
> > >
> >That's right; intention cannot be a priori ruled out, and given out
> >experience, it would seem counterintuitive to do so.
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> > > But, yes, I am arguing that intention need not be communicated, at
> > > all, and can be lost for all time.
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> >But the communication of intention is not prohibited, and indeed, is
> >quite memetically ubiquitous.
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> But what Wade says about intention being irrevocably lost is too
> important to overlook. Someone might find an old village site and
> escavate it. They might come to the conclusion that for some reason
> the structures of the village were arranged in a particular manner,
> but the reasons for that arrangement have long vanished. Some
> fragments of utensils and various other artificats may be found, but
> with little or no indication of what theses things were for. There
> might be enough evidence to indicate there was a ceremony or ritual
> associated with the site, perhaps based on other lines of evidence
> gained from studying a certain culture, but the mythos behind the
> ceremony and its particular protocols may have permanently vanished.
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Memes, like speacies, are born, flourish, decline and die. What's so
remarkable about this? And who would ever claim that the dead, either
memetic or genetic, had not once lived?
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