From: joedees@bellsouth.net
Date: Wed 05 Mar 2003 - 19:49:02 GMT
>
> On Wednesday, March 5, 2003, at 01:18 PM, memetics-digest wrote:
>
> > What I'm proposing is that the moment I translate something in my
> > mind into a medium of communication and transmit it to you, the
> > "cultural context" of that message is "gone".
>
> I like it. It sort of mirrors what I say when I say there are no memes
> in the mind, because the context is, as you say, not there, really.
>
It is accomodated for assimilation by a similar yet not identical cognitive
gestalt.
>
> > "meaning is in the culture, not the medium of communication".
>
> I like that, too. However, we need some medium of communication, so it
> does play a role. But, yes, meaning is in the culture, and culture is
> extrinsic.
>
The medium is the structure; the meaning is the semantic contyent.
>
> > From within my brain, there isn't any difference between wood
> > carvings, hieroglyphics, or this text save that some of the
> > information *appears* more accessible. Is it really, in an absolute
> > sense? I don't know. I can't know. But that inability to
> > understand doesn't limit the universe across time and space.
>
> Yes, you have no memes in your brain- no information passed on in
> identical form from one artifact or behavior to another. What you have
> is, as you say, accessibility to the stored information (memories) in
> your brain, according to the way you've stored it, or it's been
> allowed to be stored in that brain, both by intrinsic processes of
> mental development and extrinsic processes of cultural environment and
> learning.
>
Memories are meme-ories, and may not only be stored in the brain, but
alos modified there.
>
> Different cultures give different structures to these memories, if
> they can, and you move within the culture's environment, language,
> ritual, clothing, songs, etc. Other memories also happen, from many
> other sources, some within, and some without, your 'home-base'
> culture. (Yes, culture is a somewhat meaningless term, but it is,
> after all is said and done, where and when you are.)
>
Culture is both internal and external.
>
> > But none of it has any inherent meaning until it
> > gets into my head.
>
> The nub, because I disagree with this. None of it has any meaning
> until you perform it. There is no meaning, (review your first quote)
> in your head.
>
You cannot physically perform what you do not cognitively possess.
>
> - Wade
>
>
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