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> Of Joe E. Dees
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> > >Chris Lofting wrote:
> > > The process of analysis of any object/relationship is a
> process that takes a
> > > 'raw' concept and re-identifies it by colouring it with personal and
> > > cultural 'meanings'. After a while this process leads to
> habituation where
> > > the now 'refined' object becomes part of the filtering
> process we use to
> > > identify things. The innocence of childhood gives way to filtering
> > > processes; once you burn your hand on the hot stove you modify your
> > > behaviour and develop a 'habit' that becomes
> stimulus/response (EITHER/OR)
> > > in expression. This EITHER/OR can include 'steps', an
> algorithm, but it is
> > > not conscious, you just 'do it'.
> > >
> > > The SECONDARY processes I mentioned are the feedback
> processes that go to
> > > re-identifying a concept. Once this re-identification has
> taken place so the
> > > concept is now part of the PRIMARY process's database of filters. This
> > > database would combine genetic filters with those derived
> from nurture.
> > >
> A good way to look at this is the logical way (this is a double
> entendre). Thinking logically is the process of deriving valid
> conclusions from given premises by means of the application of
> rules which delineate the parameters within which such derivations
> of conclusions will be valid (which ones logically follow/are
> implicated/are entailed). This is secondary processing. Primary
> processing involves the selection of the premises which one prefers
> and/or believes are sound.
Like the key of a song.
Secondary processing can be seen to
> be more abstractly, ideally and intellectually based, while primary
> processing can be seen to be more concretely, existentially and
> emotionally based (it is a process of valuing, i.e. axiological). This
> allows for an emotion/intellection complementarity, where emotions
> situate desires to ground subsequent intellection and intellect
> calculates the consequences of the appropriation of the selected
> emotional values.
secondary processing is the use of harmonics analysis and is secondary since
it assumes meaning exists as set by the primary process. Random 'moments'
can allow for secondary processing to be applied to 'noise' and meaning is
generated from 'nothing'.
I think there is emotion in primary processing but it is single context and
EITHER/OR in form, thus the 'correct/incorrect' distinction is felt as
Demasio et al found in the left hemisphere of the neocortex; there exists a
'feeling' for syntax processing.
When you pass the syntax you move to semantics and this is harmonics
analysis of that which has been passed as 'correct'. This is the refinement
of value such that that which was passed syntactically is now painted
semantically and becomes an object 'in here' that is then used in the
parsing process at the primary level; you get a feedback pool, the contents
of which now go to filtering 'raw' inputs by attempting to assume/presume
and so predict. Problems come when this process takes over and controls
rather than acts as a guide.
I agree that the secondary processing aids in developing more abstract
concepts etc in that it takes you away from 'out there' and more into
cultural 'in here' but the idealist emphasis is asserted in the primary
processing since primary processing emphasises archetypes more so that
secondary that is more typal, secondary mixes, primary seeks purity.
Initally the archetypes are rigid, colourless. After secondary processing
they can take-on colour and become more flexible.
best,
Chris.
> >
> > > best,
> > >
> > > Chris.
> > >
> > > ------------------
> > > Chris Lofting
> > > websites:
> > > http://www.eisa.net.au/~lofting
> > > http://www.ozemail.com.au/~ddiamond
> > > >
> > >
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