Re: Tolerance was Re: Hello !?

From: joedees@bellsouth.net
Date: Sat 15 Feb 2003 - 18:09:21 GMT

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    > From: <joedees@bellsouth.net>
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    > Kenneth,
    > This is not a matter of integration, this is a question of ideology.
    > Joe, > No, it is just insisted that they not attempt to impose their
    > more > restrictive mores on others. A more tolerant society can
    > tolerate most > of the puritan practices of less tolerant groups
    > within it, so long as they > do not try to impose them on all, but a
    > less-tolerant society cannot > stomack the more tolerant and free
    > practicing greater freedoms within it > than it traditionally allows.
    > this, a more tolerant society can include less > tolerant individuals
    > within it, bit not vice-versa, and this is what makkes > the more
    > inclusive society, as far as personal freedom goes, superior.
    >
    > Hi Joe,
    >
    > Now you' re saying that our society is superior in the context of
    > freedom, despite the fact that the others rely on God himself for
    > giving them the ' freedom ' they seek !?
    >
    > I suppose the ' they ' in your first sentence of the comment you
    > provided so willingly, are the immigrants !? If so, I agree of course,
    > but the fact remains that is is a question of ideology_ one we impose
    > on them. It is their behavior, it is in their behavior we see aspects
    > we don 't bear. The fact that they are immigrants in the first place
    > is a choise of their own choosing and therefor they are moved into a
    > minority position. If you want to stay Muslim, again this is a choise
    > of free choosing on their behalf, if you are discriminated for it, don
    > 't blame us_ adapt ! Those are the people we, some individuals, are
    > tolerant to, has tolerance for...
    >
    We are talking about tolerating intolerance itself, and that is something tolerant people cannot in all tolerance do. A religious ideology that treats woment like chattel and indulges in 'honor killings', that imposes the death sentence upon those who decide to leave it, and whos more radical members are hell-bent upon presenting a convert-or-die ultimatum to all the peoples of the world simply cannot be tolerated by people who truly care about freedom - theirs or others'. Period.

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