From: joedees@bellsouth.net
Date: Sun 08 Dec 2002 - 20:26:50 GMT
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Grant Callaghan" <grantc4@hotmail.com>
> > > Non-dictatorial countries are governed by consensus. The new
> > > world government in the form of the U.N. is also reaching for
> > > consensus. If
> >we
> > > fail to achieve it, we will become ungovernable and some will seek
> > > to
> >impose
> > > order rather than endure chaos or anarchy. We gain consensus
> > > through leadership rather than by imposition. If we don't learn
> > > to lead we will either have to follow or impose our will on
> > > others. Europe seems
> >inclined
> > > to follow. America is trying to lead but doesn't seem to know how
> > > to achieve a consensus. As a result we get accused of imposing
> > > our will on everyone else.
> >
> >Grant,
> >
> >Yes, but I fail to see where consensus leads us to if, like here in
> >Belgium the votes go majority against minority ! Where is the
> >consensus in such a form of democracy !? If the majority has enough
> >seats, they don 't need consensus, do they !? We are bound to follow,
> >willing or not, even the majority ain 't got my vote ! Where does
> >that leaves me !?
> >
> >And for what will that consensus world- wide stand if the UN sets up
> >demo- cracies against dictatorships when voting is concerned !? Will
> >the majority of democracies win and the disctatorships loose, or will
> >religion has its saying also in the debate !? Will it become the
> >majority of Muslim- peoples against the minority of Christianity !?
> >Or will the English language use its majority to impose its strenght
> >!?
> >
> >It is not that simple if you are willing to concern notions as
> >individuality, authenti-
> >city and identity !
> >
> >Regards,
> >
> >Kenneth
>
> Achieving consensus is never easy or simple. It requires work and
> leadership to bring the minority groups into the picture. The
> Japanese used to complain about the tyrany of the majority but found
> it to be preferable to the tyrany of the minority or the tyrany of one
> man. Consensus means bringing agreement between diverse groups, not
> the dominanace of a single party. It's a consumation devoutly to be
> wished rather than a slam dunk. An ideal we work toward rather than
> something we take for granted.
>
> Grant
>
This is also why a workable democracy needs to be constitutional; to
guarantee the basic human rights of the minority, even when they do
not have the consensus to lead.
>
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