Re: memetics-digest V1 #1219

From: Scott Chase (ecphoric@hotmail.com)
Date: Mon 02 Dec 2002 - 23:39:06 GMT

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    >From: "Dace" <edace@earthlink.net>
    >Reply-To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
    >To: <memetics@mmu.ac.uk>
    >Subject: Re: memetics-digest V1 #1219
    >Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2002 09:48:25 -0800
    >
    >
    > > Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 18:10:35 -0500
    > > From: "Scott Chase" <ecphoric@hotmail.com>
    > >
    > > >From: "Dace" <edace@earthlink.net>
    > > >
    > > > > From: fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk [mailto:fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk]
    > > > > On Behalf Of Wade Smith
    > > > >
    > > > > On Friday, November 22, 2002, at 12:37 , Lawrence DeBivort wrote:
    > > > >
    > > > > > international bullying in the form of
    > > > > > power-based relationships.
    > > > >
    > > > > You know, I have not been following this discussion, at all, so,
    >this
    >is
    > > > > only a comment upon this one thought.
    > > > >
    > > > > From what I know of history, the entire realm of human experience
    >has
    > > > > always included inter-tribal bullying in the form of power-based
    > > > > relationships.
    > > > >
    > > > > As in that piece about chimps I forwarded, it is totally obvious
    >that
    >we
    > > > > are genetic and behavioral continuations of fierce and unforgiving
    >and
    > > > > oftimes horrifically cruel primates.
    > > >
    > > >That you think this is obvious just goes to show the power of memes, in
    >this
    > > >case the humans-as-innately-violent meme, which provides an excuse for
    >our
    > > >otherwise inexcusable behavior.
    > > >
    > > >
    > > This innate violent rationalization notion also crosses the is-ought
    > > barrier.
    >
    >Just back from Thanksgiving break. I'm not sure what you mean here. Could
    >you elaborate a little?
    >
    >
    Well the assumption that humans are innately violent is a description of a presumed natural state (an "is"). The excuse for this behavior following from its being a natural state is a prescription for how one might view the way things should be (an "ought"). This is a breach of the is-ought barrier in ethics (aka "Hume's law" if I'm not mistaken). I'm not an ethicist and I'm going on about 3,5 to 4 hrs sleep at best right now, so if I floated one in the punch bowl, that's probably why, though not the way it ought to be...me going on at least 6-8 hrs sleep :-(

    Zzzzzzzzz....

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