RE: Islam and Europe and Joe

From: joedees@bellsouth.net
Date: Fri 22 Nov 2002 - 18:59:00 GMT

  • Next message: Lawrence DeBivort: "RE: Islam and Europe and Joe"

    > > > Scott:
    > > > In what way are you using the label "anti-Semitism"? The term has
    > > > a specific application AFAICT, meaning "hostility toward or
    > > > discrimination against Jews as a religious, ethnic, or racial
    > > > group" [from MWCD10]. Is your application broader than this (ie-
    > > > hostility etc. against Arabs or Muslims) or has Joe posted
    > > > diatribes against Jews? I realize that Semites include the groups
    > > > of Arabs and Jews but thought anti-Semitism had a more specific
    > > > application.
    > > >
    > >Bingo. Lawry is inadvertently engaging in a psychological projection
    > >of his own prejudices.
    > > >
    > > > Joe may be posting stuff that goes a little far in negative
    > > > attitide towards Islam, but he could see himself as countering
    > > > apologetics seen in the attitudes of others.
    > > >
    > >Lawry forgets that Jews are Semitic; for Lawry, I'm guessing that he
    > >would prefer that Jews not exist at all. This European antisemitism
    > >has dark and well-known roots, and a horrible history, and it would
    > >not surprise me at all if Lawry shared it. For the enemy of his
    > >enemies is his friend; thus the enemy of his new friend must be his
    > >enemy, also.
    > >
    > >
    > Whoah there, calm down. I realize that Lawry may have ticked you off
    > with some of his pinpricks, but that's no reason to go off the deep
    > end and characterize him in such a way.
    >
    > BTW I share some of Lawry's critical attitude towards Israeli policies
    > and some of the history behind the creation of the Israeli state (eg-
    > the Palestinian nakba).
    >
    > I wish he'd apply his font of wisdom to being more critical of
    > Islamist tendencies too.
    >
    Yeah; it's okay for him to call ME bigoted, which I am not, but NOT okay for me to respond in kind? But your point is well-taken; his criticisms are dreadfully one-sided, as they are only directed against one group, the proverbial and dreaded USA, and not against the murderous infectees of the cannibalistic memeset that is attacking them (and everyone else). One just wonders about the basis for such a bias.
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