From: Grant Callaghan (grantc4@hotmail.com)
Date: Sun 17 Nov 2002 - 05:08:57 GMT
For me it's as simple as this: anyone who uses terror as a weapon is a
terrorist. A husband who beats his wife, a criminal who bombs the car of a
rival, a drug dealer who cuts the ear off a client who won't pay, or a
religious zealot who thinks he can change the faith of infidels by bombing
them into submission. They are all terrorists.
The word is a description of the means people use rather than the religion
they belong to. If the government uses terror to achieve its ends they,
too, are terrorists.
Grant
> > At 07:47 PM 16/11/02 -0600, you wrote:
> > >> At 09:46 AM 16/11/02 -0500, you wrote:
> > >> SNIP...............(Lawry)
> > >> > Would a wife-beater be a terrorist? Would a
> > >> >policy-maker who threatens harm to foreign populations, or
> > >> >domestic ones? SNIP....... Cheers to all, Lawry
> > >> >
> > >> Good Questions Lawry
> > >> I think that, whilst the wife (or husband) beater rules and coerces
> > >> by the use of terror, the personal abuse involved is for personal
> > >> 'gain', and is therefore not terrorism. A policy maker on the other
> > >> hand, eg. those who refuse to address climate change, who makes
> > >> policy decisions which impinge on the lives and quality of life of
> > >> civilian populations, including unborn generations, for political
> > >> and/of commercial 'gain', is a terrorist. Remember that 'working'
> > >> definitions seem to include the concept that terrorism is a
> > >> criminal act committed against civilians or a civilian population
> > >> outside of a declared war. The other criteria is that the terror
> > >> act intentionally targets the wellbeing of the target community.
> > >> Therefore, the bombing of the Rainbow Warrior in Auckland Harbour
> > >> by the French SS was, whilst carried out by a sovereign State,
> > >> probably was a criminal act of terror. That's what I reckon any'ow
> > >> mates. Jeremy
> > >>
> > >This doesn't make sense. The French were hoping to dissuade
> > >Greenpeace from harrassing their nuke tests; that's 'gain', just
> > >like Palestinians gaining all of Israel or Israel retaining its
> > >territory. The Russians are hoping to retain sovereignty over
> > >Chechnya, just as the Chechens are fighting to gain it, and the
> > >Muslim terrorists killing Hindus in Kashmir want Islamic control of
> > >the province. And Osama Bin Laden is hoping for the same thing that
> > >Saddam Hussein is, that is, to become the Caliph of a reconstituted
> > >Pan-Muslim nation. Earlier, Moammar Qaddafi hoped for the same.
> > >Even the Unabomber was hoping to wean people off computers, and Tim
> > >McVeigh was hoping to further the cause of white separatism and
> > >domination put forth in his Bible, THE TURNER DIARIES, as was Bob
> > >Mathews, when he formed The Order. And George Metesky, the Mad
> > >Bomber, was hoping to force concessions from Con Edison Power
> > >Company.
> > >>
> > >>
> > It makes sense to my memetic conctruct Joe. These people (those who
> > have actually participated in, or organised acts of terror) all had
> > ideological aspirations. That makes them all terrorists, as opposed to
> > the partner basher who may be either unbarably harrased, misguided or
> > just a violent, sick-minded thug. BTW in my veiw terror acts are also
> > carried out by people who are either unbarably harrased, misguided or
> > just a violent, sick-minded thugs. Jeremy
> >
>Would this include those who hope to murder their way into an eternal
>position in Paradise, there to enjoy the perpetual ministrations of
>seventy-two virgins?
> >
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