From: joedees@bellsouth.net
Date: Mon 11 Nov 2002 - 02:37:49 GMT
> Ah, Joe...check out the primary references, the primary sources, and
> stop depending on these derivative sources.... If you want to cite
> Lewis, well then, CITE him. Don't screw around with derivative
> material. Or, stop taking Lewis' name in vain. You were the one who
> invoked Lewis, calling him the 'doyen' of Middle East studies, and now
> I am suspecting from this last message of yours that you haven't even
> read ANY of his books, or attended ANY of his lectures. PLEASE tell me
> I am wrong, Joe, and that the whole of your thinking is based on
> something more than the opinionizing of commentators.... These folks
> are wannabe meme-smiths, Joe; you've got to do better than this.
>
> So, unless your next email is unduly provocative, post all the urls to
> secondary sources you want, I'm on to more productive things....
>
I just posted URL's to five of his essays; nonderivative enough for you?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk [mailto:fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk]On
> Behalf Of joedees@bellsouth.net Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2002 9:00
> PM To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk; fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk Subject: RE: The
> ISIS site and Joe's other sources
>
> > Joe, I have in my library about a half-dozen of Bernard Lewis'
> > books, and have read them all. If you have actually read any of his
> > writings, such as his extraordinary work on how the Muslim/Arab
> > world 'discovered' Europe, you will see that he hardly supports your
> > patronizing and condemnatory view of the world.
> >
> > But we have to stop meeting like this: I have things I want to get
> > to, and I do not think any of these exchanges are budging your
> > thinking, nor, thinking selfishly, generating any greater memetic
> > insight into how you have derived these views than I already have.
> > As I said in my last message, check in with me when and if you
> > consult any of the easily available sources I suggest. Combing the
> > world for duplicative anti-Muslim expressions and posting them here
> > is not getting anyone anywhere. Since Sept 11, and since the end of
> > the Cold War, such expressions abound, which is why we must hold
> > ourselves to higher standards here and bring to our endeavours an
> > understanding of the memetic dynamics that are at play.
> >
> > I have made my point regarding your views and their sources
> > adequately clear in this forum, and so I break off this discussion
> > with you.
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Lawry
> >
> And I will post the url's to those essays so that others can judge
> that your characterization of Bernard Lewis' work is self-sevingly
> flawed.
>
>
>
>
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