From: Grant Callaghan (grantc4@hotmail.com)
Date: Mon 04 Nov 2002 - 03:17:47 GMT
>Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 18:58:11 -0500
>
>
>On Sunday, November 3, 2002, at 05:09 , joedees@bellsouth.net wrote:
>
>>In such cases, they are indeed imitating sounds, and are genetically
>>wired to be able to do so; what they are not doing is grasping
>>meanings.
>
>Or attempting to perform.
>
>- Wade
Wrong.  Choice of mates is based in great part on the performance of a male 
in competition with other males.  Most birds perform mating dances as well 
as mating songs.  The songs and dances are judged and acted upon. The best 
performer has much the same effect on the female as the best human dancer at 
a social dance has on the females who see him perform.  Something is 
definitely being communicated here.  You guys are giving birds way too 
little credit.  Sheep knocking heads together are also performing for a 
purpose, intimidating rivals and attracting females.  If the rivals go and 
the females come, the behavior and the performance accomplished it purpose.  
The choice of means for competing may be genetic but the execution of the 
behavior is up to the competitors.  If there is no ideal to judge by, how 
does the female make her decision.  Where does the decision take place but 
in the animal's mind?
Grant
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