Re: I know one when I see one

From: joedees@bellsouth.net
Date: Thu 31 Oct 2002 - 17:53:16 GMT

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    > On Thursday, October 31, 2002, at 03:09 , joedees@bellsouth.net wrote:
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    > > But if it leaves the head and is manifested in action, it was in the
    > > head to begin with. You deny its source, and rather mislabel its
    > > destination as source.
    >
    > My motion through space is not in my head. I don't deny the source-
    > but you disregard the destination.
    >
    No, I say clearly that memes are communicated between people through action (speech itself being an action); however, I also say that they are stored, selected and modified internally. You want an either-or
    (behavior-only) while I am insisting on a both-and.
    >
    > > It only takes one dancing choreographer to falsify your point.
    >
    > There are many dancing choreographers. My point was only that they
    > don't _need_ to be. I was not making any point of exclusivity, but of
    > inclusiveness. Again you failed to see this.
    >
    No, I point out that your behavior-only stance does not allow you the luxury of such in-clusivity.
    >
    > > To do it, we have to know it.
    >
    > We have to know _something_ prior to performance, but do we know the
    > _actual_ performance until we _actually_ _do_ it? No, we do not, and I
    > defy you to prove that we do. Double dog dare you. This would be the
    > same thing as complete prediction of all possible futures, and, sorry,
    > but we can't and don't do that.
    >
    But do we know NOTHING of what we are going to do before we do it? This is what the behavior-*only* stance requires.
    >
    > If what you say were true, a 'spoonerism' would not be a fact in any
    > language.
    >
    If what you say is true, language - as a system that is learned and competence in which is internally retained beween performances - would be an impossibility.
    >
    > - Wade
    >
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