From: joedees@bellsouth.net
Date: Thu 17 Oct 2002 - 20:19:04 GMT
>
> On Thursday, October 17, 2002, at 03:34 , joedees@bellsouth.net wrote:
>
> > This perspective ignores not only the mistakes made in internal
> > perception (such as my mishearing of 'London Bridges (is)"
>
> That's right, blame your ears....
>
> > which lead to mutations,
>
> The mutation happened at the moment of performance, when you wrote 'I
> will sing London Bridges.' There is, in fact, no song that I know of,
> as I explained, called 'London Bridges'. I knew of a few other songs
> with London in them, and wondered if you meant one of those. The fact
> that your memory of the song's title and main stanza was inaccurate,
> well, that's no meme, that's my wife.
>
The mutation happened when I misheard the song, and continued
through my mnemonic storage of the mutation-mistake of the song's
meme and into its performance.
>
> > but also the intentional mutations made not only in
> > actions, but also (and primarily) in the ideas that guide them.
>
> No ignorance is being made of intent in any of my descriptions of the
> behavior-only model. Just the opposite. Memes are fully intentioned
> performances by humans within cultural environments. The intent, while
> useful as a precursory activity in the mind, is useless to culture,
> and might, indeed, be obviated or denied expression in the resultant
> meme. If all intentions carried through intact, I might begin to think
> the mental meme model made some sense, but, sorry, you have to
> actually dip in the oar to move the canoe and there might be a rock in
> the way. All and every intention to move the canoe will come to nought
> without an actual performance with the oar.
>
And without the intention, the action does not occur at all. Even with
performance, many candidate memes are not successfully transmitted
(because they're not good enough, or due to observer filters, among
other reasons), but without the intent to act, and furthermore, to act in a
particular manner according to an internalized schema (which is the
meme), nonrandom, that is, meaningful, semantically rich and meme-
transmitting action does not occur.
>
> The intent is not the meme.
>
> I bet Mae West had something to say about that.
>
> "He who hesitates is a damned fool." -- Mae West
>
> She did.
>
And sometimes forbearance can itself be a meme, as in nonsmokers
and teetotalers, who communicate the meme by not engaging in the
forfended activities when they visit places where people typically do
engage in them.
>
> - Wade
>
> adios!
>
>
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