Re: electric meme bombs

From: joedees@bellsouth.net
Date: Thu 17 Oct 2002 - 05:15:27 GMT

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    > On Wednesday, October 16, 2002, at 11:05 , joedees@bellsouth.net
    > wrote:
    >
    > > It is both being formed by AND forming culture, in a coevolutionary
    > > manner. Or rather, ideational memes are being formed by and forming
    > > culture, via behavioral mediation.
    >
    > I like this paragraph. I like 'behavioral mediation'. It resonates
    > with my cultural mitigation. Sides of the same coin, perhaps, and yet,
    > heads and tails.
    >
    > Somehow both sides need to happen for the coin to be spent.
    >
    Yep. It's like my tapeworm model; inside the dog's bloodstream and in the external shit, exposed to other dogs, are both necessary.
    >
    > And yet-
    >
    > > And the main power of memetic mentation is that a single meme can
    > > facilitate all these multiple yet of necessity subtly differing
    > > instantiations. It is a parsimony principle.
    >
    > - I still see no mechanism for this single meme as mentation. The
    > necessity of the subtle differences I see as effects of behavioral and
    > environmental performance by unique individuals, and the parsimony
    > that model possesses by _not_ requiring a mentating process somehow
    > subtly yet indefinably different from fairly understood perceptional
    > and ideational processes, or the presence of some somehow identical
    > thing somehow passed from brain to brain.
    >
    > Too many somehows in the mental model.
    >
    > I don't see any somehows in the behavior-only model, only almost
    > limitless reams of hows, ready to go.
    >
    Nope. Those are simple the effects of differing internal and external environments on the selfsame memetic pattern.
    >
    > - Wade
    >
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