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I for one am not ready to change our language to accommodate the terror
warrior. Suicide is the act of killing oneself intentionally. When a person
kills themselves for the purpose of killing others, that is homicide;
defined as killing one human by another human.
Len Sadauskas
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From: Kenneth Van Oost [mailto:Kenneth.Van.Oost@village.uunet.be]
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 11:46 AM
To: kennethvanoost@myrealbox.com
Subject: Re: Boom! and you go to Heaven
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From: Lawrence DeBivort <debivort@umd5.umd.edu
All our behaviors, IMO, (and decisions and judgements) reflect our attempts
to manifest our values. Choosing a suicide bombing isn't so much a choice
of suicide as it is a matter of manifesting the bomber's values. The fact
that suicide is dramatic draws out attention away from considering what the
deeper values might be. Yet it is only when we understand what these values
might be that we will understand WHY the 'suicide' bombing is done. And, I
think, if we reflect on the nature of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, it
is not too difficult to see what some of the values might be.
Hi Lawrence,
Just an observation if I may,
If it is only for us to understand what the values are where for suicide
bombers kill themselves, and if those values are part of the Israeli- Pales-
tinian conflict, and in reflect that the Israeli don 't give a sh... about
the
values of the Palestinians why are the Palestinian suicide bombers kee-
pin ' this kind of dramatic way up !?
IOW, if they are trying to get our attention why bombin ' Israeli's and
not us for that matter !?
I hope you understand the twist and turn of this, but IMO, if the suicide
bombings will continue, Israel is never gonna relfect on any Palestinian or
for that matter on any Israeli value concerning humanrights,... or on any
deeper one !
I know, in the past the Palestinians did indeed get our attention, by hy-
jacking airplanes etc, but IIRC always some * Israeli's* were involved
( buildings, people, planes, embassy's,...), never Palestinians attacked
' innocent ' people like you and me.
Would that change the way of things if they did !?
We, in a sense, know/ understand the " WHY " question....
Regards,
Kenneth
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