Received: by alpheratz.cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk id HAA20850 (8.6.9/5.3[ref pg@gmsl.co.uk] for cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk from fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk); Tue, 21 May 2002 07:16:30 +0100 From: "Lawrence DeBivort" <debivort@umd5.umd.edu> To: <memetics@mmu.ac.uk> Subject: RE: Boom! and you go to Heaven Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 02:12:17 -0400 Message-ID: <NEBBKOADILIOKGDJLPMAKEALDAAA.debivort@umd5.umd.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 In-reply-to: <F98Af40C7JSF90kGHC300002257@hotmail.com> Importance: Normal Sender: fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
Hello, Scott,
Christians of various persuasions make up a sizeable minority of
Palestinians, and like all Palestinians, many of them were forced by the
Israelis out of Palestine. Christian Palestinians, helped by Christian
western churches received considerable assistance in moving to Europe and
the US. I haven't seen any survey data, but anecdotally would guess that
Christian Palestinians are just as determined to get their homes in
Palestine back as Muslim Palestinians. Hanan Ashrawi, for example, is a
Christian and leading spokesperson for the Palestinians. I didn't know
about George Habash -- thanks for the information.
It would be interesting to listen to a discussion between a Christian
Palestinian and a US Christian fundamentalist Zionist.
Lawrence
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> Subject: Re: Boom! and you go to Heaven
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> >From: "Wade T.Smith" <wade_smith@harvard.edu>
> >Reply-To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
> >To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
> >Subject: Re: Boom! and you go to Heaven
> >Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 18:51:55 -0400
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> >
> >On Sunday, May 19, 2002, at 06:17 , Lawrence DeBivort wrote:
> >
> >>The matter of 'going to heaven and finding virgins, of whatever
> gender, is
> >>a
> >>western oerception and preoccupation--not a Muslim one. IIRC, the Bible
> >>suggests that someone martyred for Christendom is rewarded with heaven,
> >>but
> >>I doubt many western soldiers leap to arms with that hope in
> mind.... Is
> >>there a Christian or Christian scholar on the list who can fill in this
> >>idea?
> >
> >It's not 'not even' a Muslim one- the mention of houri's in the
> paradise of
> >the afterlife is apocryphal in the q'uran according to many islamic
> >scholars.
> >
> >But, serving one's god and country, and the giving up of one's life for
> >those authorities, is an old and perhaps ageless, and perhaps culturally
> >non-isolated property of society. It is certainly not just a xian or an
> >islamic hero that offers his life in battle.
> >
> It's been a while since I've been to church but that hymn "Onward
> Christian
> soldiers marching as to war" comes to mind. Whatever the intent
> behind this
> hymn was there are some crusading connotations at least at first
> sight. It
> could be a metaphorical "war" like jihad is supposedly a metaphorical
> internal struggle and not the externalized one we've seen waged against
> US-ian and Israeli targets.
>
> Since Dr. George Habash of the Popular Front for the Liberation
> of Palestine
> and the earlier Arab Nationalist Movement was a Greek Orthodox
> Christian, a
> factoid I picked up from reading Said Aburish's _Arafat: from Defender to
> Dictator_ (1998. Bloomsbury. New York), I'm led to wonder to what degree
> Christian Arabs have contributed to the Palestinian side of the
> Israeli-Palestinian conflict.
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