Received: by alpheratz.cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk id XAA20156 (8.6.9/5.3[ref pg@gmsl.co.uk] for cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk from fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk); Mon, 20 May 2002 23:43:17 +0100 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 23:34:57 +0100 Subject: Re: Boom! and you go to Heaven From: Steve Drew <sd014a6399@blueyonder.co.uk> To: <memetics@mmu.ac.uk> Message-ID: <B90F2D12.3A5%sd014a6399@blueyonder.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <200205202145.WAA20000@alpheratz.cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk> Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
> Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 18:51:55 -0400
> From: "Wade T.Smith" <wade_smith@harvard.edu>
> Subject: Re: Boom! and you go to Heaven
>
> On Sunday, May 19, 2002, at 06:17 , Lawrence DeBivort wrote:
>
>> The matter of 'going to heaven and finding virgins, of whatever gender,
>> is a
>> western oerception and preoccupation--not a Muslim one. IIRC, the Bible
>> suggests that someone martyred for Christendom is rewarded with heaven,
>> but
>> I doubt many western soldiers leap to arms with that hope in mind....
>> Is
>> there a Christian or Christian scholar on the list who can fill in this
>> idea?
>
> It's not 'not even' a Muslim one- the mention of houri's in the paradise
> of the afterlife is apocryphal in the q'uran according to many islamic
> scholars.
>
> But, serving one's god and country, and the giving up of one's life for
> those authorities, is an old and perhaps ageless, and perhaps culturally
> non-isolated property of society. It is certainly not just a xian or an
> islamic hero that offers his life in battle.
>
> Posthumous awards are given to the family of the hero- land, or riches,
> or position, in many and sundry lands.
>
> The priests and the kings are the sources of many of these fables and
> tricks. The old men do not go to war.
Very true.
>
> - - Wade
My original question was that Evo Psych does not explain suicide bombers
etc. So what is powerful enough to make young men and women commit suicide
for a cause?
Regards
Steve
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