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From: Kenneth Van Oost <Kenneth.Van.Oost@village.uunet.be>
To: <kennethvanoost@myrealbox.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2002 5:38 PM
Subject: Re: future language
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Trupeljak Ozren <ozren_trupeljak@yahoo.com>
> > I beg to differ from Wade-like oppinions, simply because I think they
> > are way to limited. Thoreau and his contemporaries talked about beauty
> > of the wilderness and how it would be nice to preserve it simply
> > because of that - and it worked fine, to a certain extent. The value
> > that we can today see in the wilderness, though, is of an entirely
> > different order of magnitude. Living things can teach us all that we
> > ever wanted to know about subjects ranging from nanotech manipulation
> > of single atoms and molecules, up to the high level behavior in
> > non-linear and/or chaotic systems, with all the intermediate stages.
> > This is recognised in a few fields of science, but not at all in the
> > population at large.
> > I postulate that by analogy, cultures may be similar in the sense that
> > today we simply don't know enough to be able to appreciate their worth.
>
> Hi,
>
> Two observations if I may,
>
> 1_ I agree that nature can tell us a lot and I agree more on the fact that
> this is not recognised in any population at large.
> But what do you exept !? People are shortsighted and only want the be-
> nefits if they are coming towards them in the short term_ if they actually
> accept the " benefit " at all ! And moreover, discovering such benefits
> takes a lot a time, time people don 't have, so it seems !
>
> 2_ Do you really think people are eager to know about other cultures,
> how people live on islands in the Pacific, or how aboriginals make their
> flutes or whatever !? Really, I don 't !
> People are interested in what, to use the expression, is cultural determi-
> nated. In my case ( but I don 't do them at all), that will be findin' a
job
> from 9 to 5, having two kids, go on Sunday to a footballgame, drink
> a few pints with the boys, get annoyed with the wife when he comes in
> late at night, beat up the furniture and get on occasion an early night.
>
> Only a few, make time to delve into something different.
> You underestimate the fact of cultural determinism, or to use a different
> notion, you underestimate the fact that cultural stereotypes and cultu-
> ral stereotypical behavior are at work here.
> Of what are * factory *- people talking on the Monday- morning !?
> Football ! No, I sat behind my computer and learned about how the
> islanders made some flute !
> Ever spotted their reaction !? I did !
>
> Observating flute- making behavior is NOT part of my culture and
> therefor I am the odd one out. People simply don 't care !
>
> Regards,
>
> Kenneth
>
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