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<First, just because you don't see much loss in subsistence living
etc,
> that does not mean at all that there actually *isn't* a loss.>
>
And just because you say there is a loss, doesn't make it so, what's
your point? I was expressing an opinion, not offering up a statement as if
it were fact.
<Second, ask any anthropologist why do tribal people (having a
> subsistence life) so rarely abandon it, even under extreme pressure
> from outside? Seriosuly, ask that - it might enlighten you a bit about
> our own way of life.>
>
I think you'd need to explore psychological factors, and examine the
nature of the pressures to change as well.
<Third, in order to preserve those cultures, the only thing that you
> have to do is to leave them alone. Don't go in there and cut their
> forest down. Don't go in and force them to become farmers or something
> else that is "productive". Don't make them work in Nike factores. Just
> don't meddle in their affairs with your "civilized" and "enlightened"
> approach at all.>
>
Well that's just wishful thinking; ain't gonna happen, ain't ever
happened. I'm not going to make a value-judgement of that, as I'm actually
in two minds about this and well aware of my developed world bias in such
matters (e.g. I think the Taliban should have been blown up long ago, but
also that Australian aboriginals should be given as much of their country
back as possible). I don't see the value of subsistence living, but
sweatshop labour's as bad if not worse (and probably worse).
Vincent
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