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>The U.S. is funding the armies of Israel,
>Palestine, Egypt and, through oil, the rest of the muslim countries. We're
>actually paying the people who are attacking us. Without U.S, assistance
>Arafat would have collapsed already. In addition, he is getting help from
>Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Syria, and Iran. You must have seen that shipload of
>arms the Israelis confiscated. That's why Arafat doesn't get any bigger and
>better arms. The Israelis control what gets into Palestine.
I agree with most of this but I don't see what you're arguing, sorry
>>Arafat
>doen't
>even control his own army.
- he doesn't have an army to control
>If you were able to find out how much assistance we give Israel you must
>also be able to look down the list of countries we support and see how much
>we give Egypt and Palestine.
http://www.fas.org/ (Federation of American Scientists) is a source of arms
sales statistics for those interested.
>In the hands of the U.S. government, money is
>an instrument of foreign policy. It has been for decades. The Chinese
>were
>doing it for many of the same people (think of all the countries with names
>that end in -stan) over 2,000 years ago. They used to buy off the
>barbarians they built the Great Wall to keep out. As a result, the Mongols
>and the Manchus later rode in and took over their country. I have no doubt
>Chinese money helped buy the Mongol armies that took over half the world
>under Gengis Khan. It's a philosophy that doesn't buy peace. It only buys
>time. But with the accelerating pace of change in the world, it doesn't
>even buy much of that anymore.
>
>Cheers,
>
>Grant
Interesting history, but whether money buys peace or violence is a measure
of what it's spent on. Hospitals and schools are more peaceable institutions
than barracks and military colleges.
cheers,
Edward
PS: many apologies to Scott for my attributing a previous quote to him in
error.
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