Received: by alpheratz.cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk id QAA13490 (8.6.9/5.3[ref pg@gmsl.co.uk] for cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk from fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk); Sun, 14 Apr 2002 16:09:23 +0100 Message-ID: <008b01c1e3c6$e60372e0$5ca9eb3e@default> From: "Kenneth Van Oost" <Kenneth.Van.Oost@village.uunet.be> To: <kennethvanoost@myrealbox.com> Subject: Fw: memetics-digest V1 #1008 Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 17:12:33 +0200 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
----- Original Message -----
From: Kenneth Van Oost <Kenneth.Van.Oost@village.uunet.be>
To: <kennethvanoost@myrealbox.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 14, 2002 11:32 AM
Subject: Re: memetics-digest V1 #1008
> Hi Steve, Grant,
> > >I think you have made a good point here Grant. Each of us knows what we
> > >mean
> > >ourselves. The problem arises in conveying that meaning to another. If
> the
> > >above quote seems reasonable, it folows that we build our own life
> > >vocabulary as each of us occupies our own 'environment' as we learn,
> which
> > >itself is a life long process. So to convey our meanings in an
encounter
> we
> > >have to explain our terminology, context, and negotiate an acceptable
> > >agreement on the communication that is taking place.
> > >To me that could be more of a barrier to memetics than the size of a
> meme.
> > >
> > >It may be that the size of a meme may be dependent on the context we
are
> > >looking at. Comparing with physics say, a car crash can be described
> pretty
> > >accurateley without reference to QM or Relativistic Mechanics. The same
> > >doesn't work too well in a particle interaction, such as the single
slit
> > >expt.
>
> << A meme importance is not dependent on the context alone, also the
> way we express it has its benefits. It is all related to the context, I
> agree
> completely but saying something in a hard, gently way where that is in-
> approiate has its consequences.
> We had a thread about architecture some time ago, wherein the authers
> had something to say about ' incapsulated ' memes.
> Such memes ( drive- along- memes I call them) are context based.
>
> In my schemata a memetic system has three criteria,
> the meme- core ( or like in genetics the nucleus of the cell), the meme
> its fecundity ( what makes the meme survive, what protects it from harm)
> and the meme its longevity ( with what the meme is connected_ co- memes/
> symmemes).
> The most important aspect, IMO is the third one, the meme its longevity,
> what is connected as mere as webs of association, the context, its mea-
> ning structure, what can be translated as those fundamental characters of
> belief.
> They have a great tendency to be transmitted_ their fitness is somehow
> attractive to the meme- core.
>
> " Undue any meme of its rich information content/ context and you will
> get the ' meme- core ', in a broader sense the memetype. "
> Quantity will become quality !
> In the same article I found this, it seems that in architecture the lowest
> of the information treshold is the one that gets propagated.
> In what sense is than ' context ' important !?
>
> Regards,
>
> Kenneth
>
===============================================================
This was distributed via the memetics list associated with the
Journal of Memetics - Evolutionary Models of Information Transmission
For information about the journal and the list (e.g. unsubscribing)
see: http://www.cpm.mmu.ac.uk/jom-emit
This archive was generated by hypermail 2b29 : Sun Apr 14 2002 - 16:29:58 BST