Received: by alpheratz.cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk id DAA08863 (8.6.9/5.3[ref pg@gmsl.co.uk] for cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk from fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk); Fri, 12 Apr 2002 03:17:02 +0100 X-Originating-IP: [209.240.222.132] From: "Scott Chase" <ecphoric@hotmail.com> To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk Subject: RE: Fwd: 'Creationist' school has evolution debate Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 22:10:48 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: <F49oigevMsKpM30FTGw0000b9bd@hotmail.com> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Apr 2002 02:10:49.0145 (UTC) FILETIME=[4391BA90:01C1E1C7] Sender: fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
>From: Vincent Campbell <v.p.campbell@stir.ac.uk>
>Reply-To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
>To: "'memetics@mmu.ac.uk'" <memetics@mmu.ac.uk>
>Subject: RE: Fwd: 'Creationist' school has evolution debate
>Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 10:46:03 +0100
>
>Nooooooo! You've written his name- that's bound to bring him back!!!!!! Or
>is he like the Candyman and you hav to say his name three times?
>
He's been absent from the list for quite some time, but he's always #1 on
the memetics archive at:
http://aldebaran.cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk/~majordom/memetics/2000
He appears to have built a time machine and posted a reply to me on January
1, 1970 where he's lecturing me on Jung's pleroma and creatura. It's a post
from the thread "Thinking Like a Chimp" which appears at the top of the
archive whenever I look there for the list's recent activity instead of my
e-mail account.
>
>
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> > From: rrecchia@mail.clarityconnect.com
> > Reply To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 17:58 PM
> > To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
> > Subject: Re: Fwd: 'Creationist' school has evolution debate
> >
> > Don't do it Richard! It will be like having a conversation with Chris
> > Lofting!
> >
> > Ray Recchia
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Wade Smith <wade_smith@harvard.edu>
> > To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk, Skeptic List <skeptic@listproc.hcf.jhu.edu>
> > Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 12:23:00 -0400
> > Subject: Fwd: 'Creationist' school has evolution debate
> >
> > > 'Creationist' school has evolution debate
> > >
> > > Tania Branigan
> > > Tuesday April 9, 2002
> > > The Guardian
> > >
> > > http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,3604,681133,00.html
> > >
> > > The school at the centre of the row over creationism in
> > > education is inviting one of its chief critics to speak to its
> > > students about evolution, it has emerged.
> > >
> > > Sir Peter Vardy, the multimillionaire entrepreneur who donated
> > > £2m to found Emmanuel city technology college in Gateshead, and
> > > who remains director of its board, wants Richard Dawkins to take
> > > part in a debate.
> > >
> > > Emmanuel has been criticised since the Guardian revealed last
> > > month that lectures given by its staff, suggested evolution was
> > > a "faith position" and urged teachers to "counter [its] false
> > > doctrines".
> > >
> > > At the time, Professor Dawkins, an authority on evolution,
> > > wrote: "Any science teacher who denies the world is billions (or
> > > even millions) of years old is teaching children a preposterous,
> > > mind-shrinking falsehood. These men disgrace the honourable
> > > profession of teacher."
> > >
> > > But the two men have been corresponding privately since the
> > > dispute broke out and are now planning to meet. Sir Peter said:
> > > "We are quite open to talking to anybody. I would like to have a
> > > debate at Emmanuel college for the students to hear and I'll be
> > > asking him to take part."
> > >
> > > He added: "I am not a creationist and neither is Emmanuel
> > > college. We have guys who do believe in young earth [theories],
> > > but we also have atheists and agnostics and folks that believe
> > > in the old earth _ What we seek to do is present all the views
> > > of both creation and evolution."
> > >
> > > But in a lecture, the school's head of science, Steven Layfield,
> > > urged Christian teachers to "show the superiority" of
> > > creationist theories.
> > >
> > > He added that they should "note every occasion when an
> > > evolutionary/old-earth paradigm [millions or billions of years]
> > > is explicitly mentioned or implied and courteously point out the
> > > fallibility of the statement". Most scientists agree that life
> > > on earth is around four billion years old.
> > >
> > > "I'm keen to meet Sir Peter and no doubt the idea of a debate
> > > will be one of many things we discuss when we meet up," Prof
> > > Dawkins said.
> > >
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