Received: by alpheratz.cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk id DAA05003 (8.6.9/5.3[ref pg@gmsl.co.uk] for cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk from fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk); Wed, 10 Apr 2002 03:26:35 +0100 X-Originating-IP: [209.240.222.132] From: "Scott Chase" <ecphoric@hotmail.com> To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk Subject: Re: memetics-digest V1 #1011 Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 22:20:25 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: <F75KUPCvxRclk6yGUds0000d1fa@hotmail.com> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Apr 2002 02:20:25.0953 (UTC) FILETIME=[468C2510:01C1E036] Sender: fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
>From: "Wade T.Smith" <wade_smith@harvard.edu>
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>To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
>Subject: Re: memetics-digest V1 #1011
>Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 18:45:04 -0400
>
>
>On Tuesday, April 9, 2002, at 06:20 , Scott Chase wrote:
>
>>Is visual observation pure seeing?
>
>It certainly can be.
>
>>Is there any processing before something makes it...
>
>I'm pretty sure there is not. Nerves respond to stimulus, unless they
>are anesthetized.
>
>>...to the status of an observation as filtered through limited sensory
>>channels...
>
>The filtering is done _after_ the sensory channels are filled, not
>during, or before. (Admittedly, focusing upon a task will effectively
>and intentionally invalidate for further processing a great deal of
>one's sensory input, but, like that sudden shock, the sensory input is
>not halted, but waylaid and bypassed.)
>
>I am talking about states wherein this sensory input is unventuri'd.
>When the filters refuse to form. The creative act. When it all, all of
>what is before one, is let in. Bang, smash. This is so often a shock of
>the new, and so often, as explained by those describing the creative
>moment, a new and seminally integrating shock that produces an answer.
>
>No processing whatsoever. Processing, in many ways, is dogma.
>
>
I thought the creative event would precipitate from within, where
"unconcious" elements that have been fermenting combine and bubble to the
surface in a somewhat syncretic manner, like how I'm kinda combining stuff
I've grokked (*sensu* Dees wherever he's hiding) from Popper (like the
expectations preceding observation and anti-"bucket theory" stuff) and now
Jung (his stuff on cryptomnesia which compels me to think that creativity is
nothing more than novel juxtaposition of old material pulled from elsewhere
(even if long forgotten)). How's that for parenthetical thinking :-)
Eureka could erupted from the highly processed hypnagogic or dream state if
stories I've heard of how Kekule came around to the ring structure for the
ourobouric benzene molecule are accurate. If so, that was quite a creative
flash which came from within the noggin.
Hoop snakes...yes?
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