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Tyger wrote:
> so a memetic culture will always tend to pacify its own technological
> innovations and settle toward tautology? always gravitate to its elemental
> self-referential state?
I wish I understood what you were saying. Pacify? Wouldn't 'integrate' be a
better word? "Settle toward tautology"? I have never seen a culture do this -
it sounds like quite a trick - whatever it is.
>
> a bit far fetched , no?
> Gregory Bateson used to say that every self is an argument trying to prove
> its identity.
Bless is soul. Ever since he tried to have a good marriage with Maggy Mead, he
hasn't been the same. :) This is typical anthropological tautology.
> Paraphrasing on that. A belief is a meme, for ever trying to
> prove its stability, longevity. spreading by inducing a tautological
> settlement. what do you think?
Whatever it means, it sounds impressive, or at least poetic. I think you have
entered the realm of reifying memes which could too easily lead to the slippery
slope of idol worship. Maybe Wade has a better idea.
>
>
> Tyger
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Chuck Palson" <cpalson@mediaone.net>
> To: <memetics@mmu.ac.uk>
> Sent: Friday, May 19, 2000 11:25 AM
> Subject: Re: Technology vs. culture
>
> >
> >
> > "Wade T.Smith" wrote:
> >
> > > On 05/19/00 09:43, Tyger said this-
> > >
> > > >they invented a telephone for
> > > >the prime minister office which will operate in accordance with jewish
> law.
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Ah, but this is simply an application of a technology within cultural
> > > parameters set by a belief system- the belief system itself did nothing
> > > in the way of bringing this technology into existence.
> >
> > I disagree. Beliefs motivated ("moved") the change. Beliefs are always the
> > movers of change. Wade - I would love to hear what you say about my
> > widget/wizzer thing.
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > - Wade
> > >
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