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Good morning, Steve,
I agree with you about the subjectivity that doctor's bring to the process.
The high recidivist rate would also suggest that therapy is not reliable. I
do think that there are better methods out there available than are being
used my the majority of US therapists, so I think the poor success rates are
more a reflection of poorly trained therapists than the unchangeability of
human beings.
What do you mean, 'extracting their people?'
This must have been a pretty interesting experiment to watch!
Lawrence
> I don't know anything about the above, but i do recall an experiment where
> people (sociologists) voluntarily committed themselves to institutions in
> the USA, and whilst they were there proceed to copy the shrinks, ie taking
> note of their meetings etc. The upshot was that the people running the
> experiment had difficulty extracting their people afterwards. So
> the picture
> is less clear cut than one of whether the person is insane or not, but of
> whether the doctors think so which may not be the same thing. (i
> think it ws
> Irving Goffman's work on Asylum's, or some one trying his ideas out).
>
> Regards
>
> Steve
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