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Lawrence DeBivort wrote:
>  Good morning, everyone,From another list...
>
>      -----Original Message-----
>      From: owner-moq_discuss@venus.co.uk
>      [mailto:owner-moq_discuss@venus.co.uk]On Behalf Of nargess
>      sabeti
>      Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2002 7:41 AM
>      To: moq_discuss@moq.org
>      Subject: Re: MD Dawkins on quantum/mysticism convergence
>
>        Glenn Bradford <gmbbradford@netscape.net> wrote:
>
>           Richard Dawkins, in a Forbes article written three
>           years ago, speaks his
>           mind on the notion, popularized by Fritjof Capra
>           and others, that the
>           science of quantum mechanics is converging with
>           religious mysticism.
>
>           DAWKINS:
>           [A] kind of marriage has been alleged between
>           modern physics and
>           Eastern mysticism. The argument goes as follows:
>           Quantum mechanics, that
>           brilliantly successful flagship theory of modern
>           science, is deeply mysterious
>           and hard to understand. Eastern mystics have
>           always been deeply
>           mysterious and hard to understand. Therefore,
>           Eastern mystics must have
>           been talking about quantum theory all along.
>
>           Similar mileage is made of Heisenberg's
>           uncertainty principle ("Aren't we all,
>           in a very real sense, uncertain?"), fuzzy logic
>           ("Yes, it's okay for you to be fuzzy,
>           too"), chaos and complexity theory (the butterfly
>           effect, the Platonic, hidden
>           beauty of the Mandelbrot Set--you name it,
>           somebody has mysticized it and!
>           turned it into dollars). You can buy any number of
>           books on "quantum
>           healing," not to mention quantum psychology,
>           quantum responsibility,
>           quantum morality, quantum immortality, and quantum
>           theology. I haven't
>           found a book on quantum feminism, quantum
>           financial management, or
>           Afro-quantum theory, but give it time.
>
>           The whole dippy business is ably exposed by the
>           physicist Victor Stenger in
>           his book, The Unconscious Quantum, from which the
>           following gem is taken.
>           In a lecture on "Afrocentric healing," the
>           psychiatrist Patricia Newton said that
>           traditional healers "are able to tap that other
>           realm of negative entropy--that
>           superquantum velocity and frequency of
>           electromagnetic energy--and bring
>           them as conduits down to our level. It's not
>           magic. It's not mumbo jumbo. You
>           will see the dawn of the 21st century, the new
>           medical quantum physics really
>           distributing these energies and what they are
>           doing."
>
>           Sorry, but mumbo jumbo is ! precisely what it is.
>           Not African mumbo jumbo but
>           pseudosc! ientific mumbo jumbo, down to the
>           trademark misuse of the word
>           energy. It is also religion, masquerading as
>           science in a cloying love
>           feast of bogus convergence.
>           --
>
and memetics is a science?
sounds like the pot calling the kettle black.
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