Received: by alpheratz.cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk id QAA09987 (8.6.9/5.3[ref pg@gmsl.co.uk] for cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk from fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk); Thu, 14 Mar 2002 16:29:18 GMT Message-ID: <001001c1cb6a$cef020e0$9fa7eb3e@default> From: "Kenneth Van Oost" <Kenneth.Van.Oost@village.uunet.be> To: <kennethvanoost@myrealbox.com> Subject: Fw: More Fun And Games Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 16:12:49 +0100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Steve Drew <srdrew_1@hotmail.com>
> > This seems to be a sneaky way to put god back into creation.
> > In the Kansas saga they tried to get evolution describe as a theory that
> > required equal weight be given to the bible. If i am correct, the people
> who
> > enacted this were thrown out once the parents found that their kids
> biology,
> > geology etc qualifications would be worthless if this BS continued.
> >
> > This is more subtle and deserve some attention. They do not deny Darwin
or
> > geology for now, but have opted for the Intelligence By Design idea.
I.E.
> > the universe is too well integrated and complex to have come about,
> > therefore it must have been designed. Though they say it doesn't have to
> be
> > god as the designer, to my mind that is the eventual aim.
>
> Hi Steve,
>
> Yes I agree, we need to watch out for this and those !
> Just yesterday I saw a TV- program eloborating such a view.
> The people interviewed, ( it was a catholic network), don 't indeed deny
> Darwin, how could they, but come up with the application that the uni-
> verse and everything in it, can 't came about as it does now without a
> ' design or designer ', what in their meaning can be god or something
> called god.
>
> The arguments they use are based onto the mathemetical order by which
> the universe is constructed. Their main point is that the universe is so
> precise in its mathemetical order, that the numbers used just end up to
> sustain life. They argue that this can 't be just coincidence... god or
> some-
> thing ' created ' out of nothing matter ( via quantum- processes) in such
a
> way that it will automatically lead up to us....
>
> The IMO, still, silly counter- argument of science is that our universe
> is one of many, taking away the opposite its points by denying that god
> or something created our universe and only ours, to support us.
> Of course, the new counter- counter- attack of the followers of the
> Design- concept argue now that science has no proove... what is right
> in any way.
>
> But I agree, we must watch out, but on the other hand, I don 't think
> that those memes are released without knowing they were, though !
> People, supporting the Design- concept, like those yesterday, are
> working close, and are in many cases scientists, with NASA and other
> space- related programs. They are sitting right on the blink of new
> discoveries made, they see new phenomenons emerging right on their
> screens and in front of their eyes, they talk about this with fellow
> scientists but they say nothing about god or something. They are just
> doing their daily job, but at the end of the day they twist and shuffle
> the readings about in order to get a more god- like picture.
>
> That is in my opinion the real danger. Those people get access to
> information where you and I know nothing about. They got a headstart
> from the beginning. In Nazi- times, the torturers went home at the end
> of the day and played the piano beautifully like nothing happened.
> The same thing can be applied here, but it is indeed more subtle...
> In many ways, what people don 't understand or the things which can 't
> be explained will be the work of god. That is a very old statement.
>
> Regards,
>
> Kenneth
>
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