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----- Original Message -----
From: Steve Drew <srdrew_1@hotmail.com>
> I think what you may mean is that we do instinctive things, unless we
think
> otherwise. A choice between reacting and acting the difference being the
non
> thinking on the one hand, and thinking on the other.
Hi Steve, Wade,
I ain 't gonna interfere with the discussion you both have, just an aside
of my part,
IMO, we don 't have much time to think ( in the exact meaning of the
word) in certain situations. If we had the time_ to- think- that- car- is-
running- fast- I- must- hurry- myself-_ we would have died !
IMO, still further, our brain/ mind ' reacts ' all the time. The time- frame
needed to think, like I said, in the real sense of the wod, is too slim.
My major scepsis applying Darwinism for the working, not its construc-
tion, of the brain, lies there. I don 't deny that it seems that the fittest
idea/ thought/ habit or trait survived the struggle inside our head, but
the time- frame for doing that don 't end up.
And yes you can argue that evolution supported the speed by which
the brain works in a Darwinian way, but still IMO, it doesn 't seem to
end right up. There is ( still) a gap. The argument that Darwinism would
provide sufficient rationales for any question raised keeps poppin ' up
and IMO always in the wrong places.
The idea is that ideas, formed NOT by Darwinism, would survive to
be counted as beneficial traits of Darwinian selection. Investigators
would see those as beneficial outcomes of natural selection where in
fact ( Lamarckian) (re)actions would hold(s) the key(s).
I repeat, the time- frame needed to pick/ choose a certain solution
for/ to a particular stressor/ attraction ( inside the brain) in order to
let
the organism survive can 't be explained by a Darwinian- concept_
if we take the Darwinian evolutionary process for granted, that is_
trial and error over a certain amount of time.
Time you don 't have !
Regards,
Kenneth
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