Received: by alpheratz.cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk id LAA08617 (8.6.9/5.3[ref pg@gmsl.co.uk] for cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk from fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk); Thu, 28 Feb 2002 11:16:35 GMT Message-ID: <570E2BEE7BC5A34684EE5914FCFC368C10FB8B@fillan> From: Vincent Campbell <v.p.campbell@stir.ac.uk> To: "'memetics@mmu.ac.uk'" <memetics@mmu.ac.uk> Subject: RE: Rumsfeld Says He May Drop New Office of Influence Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 11:08:24 -0000 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Filter-Info: UoS MailScan 0.1 [D 1] Sender: fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
Hi,
I'd agree completely wth the sentiment, but would rather put the negative
connotations of propaganda forward to the world wars. Outside of the newly
non-catholic states, propaganda in the sense of the propaganda fide, was
seen as a good thing- i.e. propagating the faith. Indeed, it was something
the protestant church did too with its missionary programmes in the
colonies. But it is important to note that it was the church that gave us
the term.
Vincent
> ----------
> From: Jeremy Bradley
> Reply To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
> Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 5:03 AM
> To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
> Subject: RE: Rumsfeld Says He May Drop New Office of Influence
>
> At 06:49 AM 26/02/02 -0800, you wrote:
> >All they're likely to do is rename it The Office of Truth and Moral
> >Certainty. No one engaged in modern warfare is going to get rid of the
> >propaganda department.
> >
> >Grant
> >
> Hi Grant
> The derogatory connotation of the word 'propaganda' derives from a
> Catholic
> society which was actively producing anti-reformation pamphlets in Rome at
> the time of Henry VIII- Le Society de Propaganda Fide (scuse the
> spelling).
> Roughly translated it was 'The Society for the Propagation of Truth. The
> society's 'truths', being subjective, were derided by the reformationists,
> gave rise to the meme that propaganda is false information which has been
> broadcast for political gain.
> It has been painfully obvious for some time that much of the rest of the
> World knows more than the citizens of USAnia do about the ideological
> imbroglio that that has laid siege to the potential peace and
> sustainability of humanity as a whole.
> For examples 'collateral damage' in Afghanistan far outweighs the number
> of
> US citizens killed on 9/11 - but even if you know, that's OK even if it
> does mean that a new generation of orphaned 'terrorists' is now growing up
> with good reason to hate USAnia. And US energy pollices will arguably kill
> trillions of humans - but that's OK too because a significant turnaround
> may damage the US economy.
> Wait for my essay "The Me Me Meme and the Cult of Post-Enlightenment
> Individuation"
> Jeremy
>
>
>
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