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From: "Dace" <edace@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: memetics-digest V1 #952<
Hi Ted
> How can a meme be *self-motivated*. I assume this was a typo, else we are
> talking the equivalent of the *selfish gene* nonsense.
>You might as well say memes are nonsense. The whole idea, as expressed by
Dawkins, is that units of culture are selfish in the same (nonhuman) way
that genes are selfish. We're just been over this recently. Dawkins makes
it perfectly clear that genes are indeed selfish, as long as we don't
anthropomorphize the term.<
The point i was making - badly :-)
> To me, as i have said a few times before and will probably say again,
> behaviours fall into a continuum from that of choice to that of automatic
> response.
>The continuum is between choice and *habit.* Automatic responses within
organisms tell us very little about their forms. Every polypeptide could
theoretically fold into any number of possible proteins. Only through habit
does the polypeptide know how to fold into the correct form. Habit is based
on memory, not mechanics.<
Again, my error. I should not have used automatic without qualification. i
meant behaviours that have been acquired through social learning - memes -
that we are not consciously aware of.
> Eg, at some of the motorcycle rallies i attend it is customary to
> shake hands with old acquaintances. i invariably adopt the standard palm
to
> palm response that most people automatically do. the *correct* response
> which i have to think about and consciously do is that of the *warriors*
> handshake which is palm to wrist. (sounds sad i know, but the people and
> parties are good fun).
>
> Regards
>
> Steve
A nice illustration of the difference between memetic and intentional
behavior.
Ted<
Regards
Steve
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