Received: by alpheratz.cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk id NAA10548 (8.6.9/5.3[ref pg@gmsl.co.uk] for cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk from fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk); Mon, 15 May 2000 13:50:03 +0100 Subject: RE: Useless memes Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 08:46:53 -0400 x-sender: wsmith1@camail2.harvard.edu x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0v3, Claritas est veritas From: "Wade T.Smith" <wade_smith@harvard.edu> To: "memetics list" <memetics@mmu.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Message-ID: <20000515124736.AAA11252@camailp.harvard.edu@[128.103.125.215]> Sender: fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
On 05/14/00 11:44, Lawrence H. de Bivort said this-
>I think the "hell no, we won't go" phrase was linked with anti-draft
>sentiment, which I see as a sub-set of the anti-war movement.
And 'Out now!' was not a sub-set of the anti-war movement? Is this phrase
somehow 'purer' than 'hell, no, we won't go!' Where was it and where was
it from? The Communist movement?
The only way to stop a war is not to participate.
>I think of the VietNam war as one, in the United States, of almost pure
>memetic content; a war in which memes replaced policy, analysis and debate
It was the single event in that time of events that galvanized my
pacifism. But, it was also the first war to be seen from all directions.
It was the first war available to everyone. It was the first war to
really show us the stinking refuse of weapon-corrupted bodies. It was the
first war without a PR machine, since the one at hand was incapable of
putting real-time spin on the day's events, or of stopping the flow of
images. It was the first war to make the journalist a hero.
But, maybe anyone's first war does all that....
- Wade
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