Received: by alpheratz.cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk id NAA09468 (8.6.9/5.3[ref pg@gmsl.co.uk] for cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk from fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk); Mon, 8 May 2000 13:30:33 +0100 Message-ID: <2D1C159B783DD211808A006008062D31CEB14E@inchna.stir.ac.uk> From: Vincent Campbell <v.p.campbell@stir.ac.uk> To: "'memetics@mmu.ac.uk'" <memetics@mmu.ac.uk> Subject: RE: a memetic experiment- an eIe opener Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 13:28:28 +0100 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
Thanks for your swift reply.
Your definition, to my mind anyway, still doesn't offer anything different
to 'I'. The very notion of 'I saw a movie' is no less subjective than 'I
love you', because the body is engaged is certain activities which we have
memetically evolved to shape into subjective experiences.
Your term (notice how I'm avoiding Wade's slip-up) arguably creates as many
problems as Freudian devisions of mind into id, ego, and super-ego. Perhaps
you should right a paper for a psychology journal proposing and explaining
the term, then it might get into academic circles, and eventually (perhaps
through pop psychology on Ricki Lake) into the wider world.
Vincent
> ----------
> From: Tyger
> Reply To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
> Sent: Tuesday, May 9, 2000 2:17 am
> To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
> Subject: Re: a memetic experiment- an eIe opener
>
> Hello vincent,
>
> well, what would you say if we were to turn the capital I into i and write
> the word as eie? would it make more phonetic sense?
>
> is eie easy to write easy to say etc.?
>
> I would like to clarify again the meaning of eie or eIe depends on taste,
> (as someone mentioned to me if the word is memetically successful it will
> mutate and variate to its best advantageous position of meaning and
> spelling). eie may stand as the ultimate irreducible subjectivity of a
> given
> statement. it is a word meant for emphasis of the relational mind to
> itself.
> it purports to convey the impression of the inherent or innate relation of
> the human to its surrounding while communicating a feelingl, an idea or an
> emotion. I would say that it goes better with profound emotions.
>
> it is in my opinion better for certain special usages
> such as:
> I saw a movie---- is better with an I
> whilst
> eie love you----- is better written as eIe
>
> does that explain better why we propose that eie or eIe is under certain
> circumstances more meanigfull?
> best,
> Tyger
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Vincent Campbell" <v.p.campbell@stir.ac.uk>
> To: <memetics@mmu.ac.uk>
> Sent: Monday, May 08, 2000 1:36 PM
> Subject: RE: a memetic experiment- an eIe opener
>
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > It won't get taken up in my view, because it breaks all kinds of rules
> which
> > people are memetically attuned to e.g., the use of a capital letter in
> the
> > middle of the world, phonetically it won't work, because pronunciation
> isn't
> > clear, and reproducability is essential for memes (one reason why meme
> > itself has spread so rapidly, it's easy to write, easy to read, easy to
> > say).
> >
> > Also its meaning, as described here is very unclear, and doesn't explain
> why
> > the term is a better than 'I'.
> >
> > Vincent
> >
> > > ----------
> > > From: Tyger
> > > Reply To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
> > > Sent: Monday, May 8, 2000 3:37 am
> > > To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
> > > Subject: a memetic experiment- an eIe opener
> > >
> > > Dear list members,
> > >
> > > I am in the process of working with some colleagues on the
> > > design/creation
> > > and possible replication of certain memes which are meant to be for
> the
> > > benefit of increased flow and improved/ease of communication, and
> would
> > > like
> > > to have your opinions and comments on this issue.
> > >
> > > The first meme we came up with is called : eIe (pronouced like
> eye)
> > >
> > > meaning definition of eIe : eIe is a term used to designate the
> reality
> I
> > > perceive, it is a combination of the " I" standing for self, in the
> sense
> > > of
> > > core of reflection and eye, in the sense of the physical organ used to
> > > apply
> > > the action of sight or vision. it differs from "I" in that <eIe>
> > > emphasizes
> > > the fact that whatever follows is fundamentally and irreducebly
> > > subjective.
> > > Moreover for those interested in the semantics and semiotics of
> > > applicability of meaning I would add that eIe should be used when
> > > specifically meaning to negate the supposed alieness of the self to
> its
> > > surrounding. thus in fact eIe can stand also for I the interconnected
> one.
> > >
> > > examples of possible usage:
> > > 1. I am that eIe am--- as dinstinct from I am that I am
> > > 2. eIe am love--- as distinct from I love.... (fill the blank)
> > > 3. eIe am anger--- as distinct from I am angry
> > >
> > > It is our opinion that the usage of such a meme could add value to
> > > communication by being/or becoming an accepted form of taking full
> > > responsability for one's life. Moreover it may by its irreducible
> > > subjectivity become an eIe opener.
> > >
> > > comments, questions , suggestions, are more than welcome.
> > >
> > > best,
> > > Tyger
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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