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From: Derek Gatherer <derek-gatherer@usa.net>
To: <memetics@mmu.ac.uk>
Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2000 6:59 PM
Subject: objections to memes
> Kenneth: (quoting Dan)
>
> Why do people who object to memes....etc?
>
> Derek:
>
> I don't object to the use of the word memes as a whole, merely to its use
to
> describe unobservable mental things or events. Trying to pretend that it
> doesn't matter that the events are unobservable doesn't help matters, but
> actually makes them worse. Trying, as the internalists do, to bring in
yet
> more dubious analogies from physics suggests a need to read Lakatos on
what
> happens to research programmes when the ad hoc input exceeds the empirical
> output.
>
<Agreed! If you have following my entries to this list,you should have
noticed
when I write something I always try to clear up the sky with an example.
I am convinced that a more practical approach,to find memetic aspects in
to day working concepts that is,actually can rule out ' yet more dubious
analogies '.If we see actually memes at work,we should be able to spread the
meme-theory throughout our society.In that respect I find it disturbing that
only
one,ONLY ONE member had responded to my entry on ' Blackmore's
theory finally proven '.There you see (parts of) the meme-theory at work and
noone is using it as an object of interest.In my mind there is then no doubt
that memes don't catch on_with our theoretical debates we make things worse,
we must,like in the old days,go back to the streets and tell people what we
know,what we are doing and what for...
Regards,
Kenneth
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