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Lloyd Robertson said:
>> My three conditions involve change, repetition and transference. You appear
>> to be not satisfied with these three conditions for the existence of
>> memetic evolution. Why?
Joe Dees said:
>Because for memesis to be said to be taking place, there must be
>internal ideation of the meme... which can be behaviorally demonstrated by
>external modification of objects to conform to some internally
>conceived design...
Joe,
This sounds like an 'agency' requirement ("there must be internal
ideation"). I don't think requiring a homunculus adds anything to
Lloyd's three conditions.
Your demonstration, 'external modification of objects to conform to some
internally conceived design' is useless in practice since we have no way
of independently knowing directly an 'internal design.'
Mark
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