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Subject:        	Re: Monkeys stone herdsman in Kenya
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From:           	"Wade T.Smith" <wade_smith@harvard.edu>
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> Mark M. Mills made this comment not too long ago --
> 
> >The attack required memes.
> 
> And there ain't a general alive or dead who'd be glad to hear that, but, 
> no, killing something or someone does not require memes- it requires 
> forces and objects and motions, and motivation- the article describes 
> thirst, so the motivation is survival. As to how the monkeys saw stones 
> being thrown, well, perhaps the guys they killed were just getting it 
> back in spades....
> 
Baboons, while one of the more intelligent of the monkey specise, 
do not pass the mirror test of self-recognition, instead attacking 
their reflections as if they were unfamiliar conspecifics (members of 
the same species).  BTW, Wade; sorry; I should've used the word 
"slog."
>
> - Wade
> 
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