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From: "Scott Chase" <hemidactylus@my-Deja.com>
Subject: Piaget on the phenocopy
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> Alas, I didn't suffer from a case of brain farting (neural flatulence is the formal scientific term I believe). In Piaget's words (1980, p. 13):
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> (bq) "This scheme leads us, of course, towards problems of psychology and epistemology, and away from biology. It is comforting to note, however, that the same direction was taken by the discoverer of organic selection and the phenocopy: J.M. Baldwin, after his article of 1896 on the effect
which now bears his name, went on to become a great psychologist" (eq)
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> I'm not sure whether this was an attribution of phenocopy to Baldwin or whether it was one of those retrospective acknowledgements. I do recall Goldschmidt (the hopeful monster guy) using the term anyway, but its been some time since I've read any of his stuff too. Oh well. Maybe Wilkins can
add his immense mnemon store to this topic. Are you there Johnny boy? ;-)
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> ref:
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It is best to read from the original (to avoid the commenters'
preconceptions and/or personal agendas), which is why I have 29
books by Jean Piaget (btw, your text is still extending way beyond
my reading range).
> Piaget J. 1980. Adaptation and Intelligence: Organic Selection and Phenocopy. University of Chicago Press. Chicago (translated by Stewart Eames)
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> The translation part brings me to another sticking point I've pondered wrt the history of ideas. If I'm reading some work by Jung, Semon or Piaget or anyone else which has been translated by others for my lazy English speaking self, I'm not really reading their words *per se*. Could this lead
to memetic (or idea) variation of any kind, since the book isn't actually first hand from the author's own mouth?
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> Scott
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