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From: Robin Faichney <robin@faichney.demon.co.uk>
Organization: Reborn Technology
To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
Subject: Re: What are memes made of?
Date sent: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 18:32:50 +0000
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> On Sat, 19 Feb 2000, Joe E. Dees wrote:
> >
> >> On Thu, 17 Feb 2000, Joe E. Dees wrote:
> >> >The interplay between the fixed genetics of the birds and the
> >> >variability of various birds' environment, especially in the
> >> >phenomenon of imprinting (which was first discovered in bird
> >> >young), which is a genetically mandated critical period during
> >> >which imitation patterns are set, is enough to explain the small
> >> >differences in birdsong which occur.
> >>
> >> Why does the fact that imitation occurs in the context of imprinting make
> >> birdsong non-memetic?
> >>
> >Because it is circumscribed by instinct; imprinting during critical
> >periods is innately and genetically mandated.
>
> So to summarise your argument: birdsong is not a counter example to
> the claim that memetics is necessarily intentional because it is not
> intentional, and therefore non-memetic.
>
Not only that, but it is genetic, not memetic.
> --
> Robin Faichney
>
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