Re: Labels for memes

From: Robin Faichney (
Date: Wed Feb 14 2001 - 09:59:36 GMT

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    I don't know whether anyone is interested in this besides Joe and myself.
    We're rehashing an exchange between us from last week. What I'm doing in
    this message is proving Joe wrong by quoting directly from his own message
    of a few days ago (though the first quote below is from yesterday).

    The story continues...

    On Mon, Feb 12, 2001 at 02:06:22PM -0600, wrote:
    > On 12 Feb 2001, at 9:49, Robin Faichney wrote:
    > > On Sun, Feb 11, 2001 at 07:45:33PM -0600, wrote:
    > > > BTW, Robin, I found it very > inconsistent of you (to say the least)
    > > that you slagged what you > insinuated was a book on the list that I
    > > posted per your request, > and then when I went to the book and showed
    > > that it was > misrepresented, you said "But NOOooo, it wasn't that
    > > book at all,
    > >
    > > I found I had just one book by any of your approved authors on my
    > > shelves. I posted some comments on it, COMPLETE with author, title
    > > and page numbers. You then came back with a hysterical accusation of
    > > misrepresentation, in response to which I pointed out that you were
    > > referring to a different book. You need to curb your tendency to
    > > rewrite history.
    > >
    > It wasn't the same book, nimrod, and all you had to do was look at
    > the title to tell. The book I listed was Ornstein's THE
    > PSYCHOLOGY OF CONSCIOUSNESS and the one you replied
    > concerning (and which I received today) was THE EVOLUTION OF
    > CONSCIOUSNESS. They are not the same book...

    No, Joe, *I* had to tell *you* they're not the same book. When I cited
    The Evolution, I was replying to a message which listed only authors,
    not titles. Your list of titles was in your next message -- the same one
    in which *you* confused the two books. And just to prove it, here are the
    relevant parts of that very message <my comments in angle brackets, thus>:

    Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 11:17:39 -0600
    Subject: Re: Darwinian evolution vs memetic evolution
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    <snip irrelevant stuff and most of list of authors and titles
    -- in THIS message, not the previous one>


    <small snip, what follows is me, Robin, quoted from the message
    that Joe's replying to>

    > The one title by one of these writers that I have immediately to hand
    > is Ornstein's The Evolution of Consciousness. Well, that certainly
    > seems relevant.

    <snip, then Joe:>
    Hokay, I'll quote Ornstein out of that book just to show everyone
    what you should already know if you indeed have the book. On
    page 52 it states:

    <snip remainder>

    Do you get it now? You list some authors, without titles, I respond
    citing a particular title by one of them, you come back with a hysterical
    accusation of misrepresentation, but you're looking at a different book,
    one whose title you first mention in the same message in which you make
    the accusation. Your mistake, not mine.

    > You falsely implied that the book you slagged was
    > the one on my list, and everyone here saw the insinuation. It is a
    > matter of list record.

    We can now see exactly what's on the "list record", Joe, and it doesn't
    make you look good!

    > It just goes to show that you are not above concealment and
    > duplicity in your attempt to propagate your own set of religiously
    > based memes...

    Get a grip, Joe.

    Robin Faichney

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