RE: Internal meme?

Robin Faichney (
Mon, 4 Oct 1999 21:15:10 +0100

From: Robin Faichney <>
Subject: RE: Internal meme?
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 21:15:10 +0100
Message-Id: <99100421244505.00380@faichney>

On Mon, 04 Oct 1999, John C. 'Buck' Field wrote:
>>>Yes it has. Is there any portion of this great length that you feel i=
>>relevant, and
>>>if so, where is it and why does it relate?
>>I'm afraid I don't like your tone.
>This herring brings up a valid point: Perhaps more diplomatic phrasing =
>encourage more productive dialogue. As I said before: my priority is kn=
>therefore sometimes concern for popularity is eclipsed by a passion for =
learning. I
>will try to give this failing more attention, and I apologize for treati=
ng you without
>the sensitivity that anyone deserves.
>>But I'm sure you're perfectly capable of
>>finding your own way.
>Your certainty may not be well founded ;^), but I would appreciate at le=
ast a clue
>regarding what I should be looking for...
>Would you Pretty-Please-With-Sugar-On-Top explain your criticism of my m=

Well, since you ask so nicely...

I am not about to comprehensively recapitulate that discussion, and I'm a=
fraid I
don't have a note of the subject heading(s) under which it occurred. How=
there has traditionally been a split here between the supporters of "inte=
and "external" memes. The former are generally considered to consist of
information in the brain, and the latter, information encoded in behaviou=
and/or artefacts. Only one regular here that I'm aware of (RB) consisten=
talks about "the mind", and I don't recall much straightforward identific=
of memes with ideas here, unlike, for instance, the virus list. Recently=
third position emerged, supported by Tim Rhodes and myself among others, =
sees memes as confined neither to brains nor behaviour/artefacts, but enc=
(differently) in both. The briefest case for which is: how could a meme =
it from one brain to another unless via behaviour, and vice versa?

Hope that helps! Also, that noone considers it TOO misrepresentative.

Robin Faichney
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