Re: Whales and the Memetic Group definitions

Wade T.Smith (
Fri, 1 Oct 1999 07:39:34 -0400

Subject: Re: Whales and the Memetic Group definitions
Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 07:39:34 -0400
From: "Wade T.Smith" <>
To: "Memetics Discussion List" <>

>(But I'd still love to hear Wade explain the work of Cage, Stockhaussen,
>Andriessen or Zorn in strictly aesthetic terms--and somehow do it without
>recourse to that nebulous "culture" thingy.)

Ah, but they themselves would say that what they were doing was totally a
personal reaction to their own limits of expression.

I would like anyone to explain the creative process _with_ resort to that
nebulous 'culture' thingy....

The mutations that present us with the products of culture (memes, if you
will) are not culture. They are changed behaviors within the environment
we call culture, part of the feedback in that environment. If they
succeed, we see them as part of the culture, but culture, to me, is only
a product, seen only when mature, like pigeons....

- Wade

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