RE: implied or inferred memes

Raymond Recchia (
Sun, 12 Sep 1999 20:38:09 PDT

From: "Raymond Recchia" <>
Subject: RE: implied or inferred memes
Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 20:38:09 PDT

Bill wrote:

>It is cleaner to say that C is *not* a meme in such a case. In fact, >C is
>memetic analog to a phenotypic effect. If A and B were genes, we >would say
>A and B are genes for C. I think that we can do the same with memes. >A and
>B are
>memes for C. <s>

I was thinking more in terms of a C that becomes independantly transmissible
but is also transmissible by A and B(or just A to simplify), but separating
out C as phenotypic effect before recategorizing it as a meme is important.

On that note:

Richard Brodie wrote:

>Said another way, direct imitation is only one small method of meme
>The whole memeplex of consumerism, in which
>the populace is subjected to enormous stimulation creating perceived
>material needs, is a big cognitive-dissonance machine pulling people in the
>direction of forming certain memes. Each advertiser wants to spread their
>memes to their potential market, and overall the culture of consumerism is
>self-perpetuating mind virus rewarding consumers for buying and marketers
>for successful marketing.

This seems to be a kind of mutualism. Meme A (marketing) in population X
(producers or companies) results in Meme B (consumption) in population Y
(the general populace) which results in more of Meme A in X.

Raymond Recchia

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