Re: Encoding and Decoding

Robin Faichney (
Mon, 6 Sep 1999 20:45:45 +0100

Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 20:45:45 +0100
From: Robin Faichney <>
Subject: Re: Encoding and Decoding
In-Reply-To: <000601bef89a$506c9d20$>

In message <000601bef89a$506c9d20$>,
Aaron Agassi <> writes
>> >
>> >We are talking about the replication of information content, or
>> meaning, by
>> >consciousness, inter-subjectively.
>> No, "we" are not. You can talk about whatever you want. I'm talking
>> about replicating items of objective information, where consciousness is
>> irrelevant.
>So you say. But I will gasp in awe if you can actually pull it off.

Get ready to gasp.

>Where is
>consciousness irrelevant to information? Well, first of all, there is
>information in the Physicist's sense, as in form, low Entropy. But this is
>Ontology, not communication or Phenomenology. Intelligence, if not
>consciousness, comes into the decoding and re-encoding from forms, natural
>or artifact, or phenomena including behaviors.

Intelligence is not required. Any physical process can be characterised
as the transformation of physical (physicist's) information, and that's
precisely what I mean by the en/decoding of memes. Physical processes.

>This leaves the question of
>such a task being performed by a computerized robot of some sort. But even
>to what degree that succeeds, what then accrues? Objective information?
>For that matter, what is objective information?

Physical information is objective.

>Truth is a quality of a
>statement of correspondence to reality. Understanding, or information
>content, is a more useful form of truth, the correspondence to reality of
>interrelationships and their ramifications.

You're confusing subjective (context/decoding dependent) and objective
(physical) information.

>So, where is your objective information to which consciousness is

Under your nose.

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Robin Faichney
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